aria pro II (model PW50)

Posted by Jim on Wed, 09/10/03 - 12:35:38.
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I am trying to find information on an Aria Pro II (model PW50) used guitar I just bought. It seems to be a nice guitar and looks brand new, but the only info I have found so far indicated that it was made in the late 70's. Any additional info would be greatly appreciated (year, price new, type of wood, etc.)

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Re: aria pro II (model PW50)

I think Cliff Burton used that bass diring Kill 'Em All gigs dude.

Re: aria pro II (model PW50)

Made in Japan in 1977-78, top: Spruce, back & sides: bookmatched rosewood. I'm not sure if the back & sides are solid or 3 ply. Very well crafted guitar, appears to be a copy of a Gallagher (made in Wartrace, Tn.)played by Doc Watson (go here < http://www.gallagherguitar.com/ > for Gallagher info.
I like my guitar quite a bit, they were made in extremely limited numbers (mine is a PW-50-L) and are a great guitar at a ridiculously low price. I am also looking for more info, so if you know anything else....
Thanks,
T

Aria Pro PW series

I have a PW18 looks to be a copy of a Martin D18. This is the only mention of a PW model guitar on the entire internet, anybody have any information?

PW-50

Hey Brother...Your guitar date depends on three things:

1.) The headstock design:
If the guitar has ARIA PRO II on the headstock written clear as day. This is a 1976-1979 ARIA PRO II PW Series Guitar.
If it is written vertically "up and down" the headstock it is from 1977
If it is written Horizontally " Reads left to right" on the headstock it is from 1978
If there is a floral design on the headstock, with the head of the flower being an "A", this is from 1976

2.) The back of the headstock
1976 will read nothing at all on it.
1977-1979 will say "P Matsumoku"

3.) The tuning pegs
1976-1977 the tuning peg where it is on the headstock will be rounded
1978-1979 the tuning peg where it is on the headstock will have an "A" in old english script.

The PW Series:
The PW and W Series of these Aria guitars are the top of the line guitar made by ARIA and the Matsumoku factory. The D series was not for export, and the PW series was for exportation to the United States and other foreign countires, although not in high numbers at all

Manufacturing:
These guitars in this series are all hand-crafted, in the Royoji Matsumoku factory. These guitar makers for this line were the best of the best of this factory. They used the best, and highest quality, aged tone-woods available at the time. These makes rival any American made manufactuers at the time. I honestly believe that these guitars are much better than anything Martin made at this same time in history.

Original Retail Price:
The original PW series consisted of the following model numbers: PW-10, PW-15, PW-20, PW-30, PW-40, PW-50, PW-60, PW-80. and PW-100. The higher the model number, the higher the quality of the guitar, and how much it sold for in Japanese Yen. The PW-10 sold for 10,000 Japanese Yen, and the PW-100 sold for 100,000 Japanese yen in 1976. This was a lot of money in 1976 for the PW-100, and with inflation this would cost you well over $4,000 in todays dollars for what these guitars were priced at. They did release different model numbers in 1979-1981 that included weird model numbers like PW-51, etc. These were still the same series, the pw-51 was simply the same as the PW-50 model that was discontinued that year. Aria did strange model numbers like this.

Woods and construction materials:
Solid Spruce Tops was used consistently on most of these guitar...except a couple notable ones. For example, the PW-15 was made of a solid Mohogany top, back, and sides. All models from the PW-40 up had solid Brazilian Rosewood Backs, and sides. They also have amazing inlays that used South American Abalone, and mother of pearl.

Value:
So here is the question I see everywhere. How much are these Aria Acoustic guitars worth? Sadly, not much. They are rare, not many were made. Even fewer survived. Those that did survive were put in cheap cardboard cases, and stuffed in peoples closets. People piled things on top of these guitars and busted the necks, the bodies, and the headstocks. The most common injury I see on these is a lifted bridge. ANY DAMAGE TO THESE KILLS THEIR VALUE. At that point, they are simply sellable for their parts. A luthier, or collector, may just want to the parts to finish their guitar off that might be missing some original parts that were replaced out/damaged. Simply put, these guitars just arent worth hardly anything compared to their American Built counterparts, and are horribly under-valued.

I am personally looking at a PW-40 and a PW-100 as we speak, and I can tell you with certainty...these are solid top, back, and sides...all amazingly beautiful guitars! If you want to sell yours...email me...I would love to make an offer on it. But, please understand that the top end of the following prices I am quoting are retail prices for guitars in pristine condition, in their original case, and with all the original hardware that came with the guitar. The low end price means the guitar still plays, and is not extensively damaged. The range in price is due to the fact that these are 40 year old guitars, and condition is everything. You can email me at hoffman6899@gmail.com

To give you an example. I bought my PW-40 from guitar center. and I bought it for $300 cash. It had not been played since 1981, I was even able to contact the original owner and talk to his family. I learned that this guitar literally sat in the owners cabin for 40 years after he returned from vietnam. He had bought it to learn to play guitar after he started his own law practice. He learned to play some camp fire songs, and he only brought it out when he had visitors at his cabin in West Virginia. This guitar was maticulously owned and cared for by an adult, and the strings were loosened when put into its original hardshell case. This guitar is pristine...it is amazing...and the only work that needed to be done was to have the action lowered, and a quick setup job with my guitar tech from when I toured. I value this guitar at $1400, becuase it comes with the owners original paperwork, warranty card, and all documentation...plus it looks unplayed. You will never find an ARIA PW-40 like this ever.

To give you an example of what I am talking about. I look constantly for these guitars all over the normal places online. I found an ARIA PW-40 on Ebay today...It has cracks in the finish on the top. On the backside of the guitar, on the bottom the finish is cracked, and looks smashed...the guitar has obviously been dropped multiple times. It looks nice, it probably plays super nice too. It did not have the original hardshell case, no hardware, and no paperwork. Without seeing it in my hands, and playing it, I would value it at $150. They are asking $400. I even wrote them a nice little email telling them why their extremely damaged guitar is not worth as much as they are asking, and that they should consider repricing it as a parts guitar.

PW-10 $50-200
PW-15 $50-225y
PW-20 $50-250
PW-30 $50-275
PW-40 $200-1200
PW-50 $250-1400
PW-60 $250-1400
PW-80 $250-1600
PW-100 $300-2000

Aria Pro PW-40

Look at the Post above He Actually Emails Someone Selling Their Guitar, and Tells them What they Should Ask For it So He can Buy it!!!! Beware of Any Price Guides Written By Someone Who Wants To Buy!!!! $300.00 For Pw-100??? What Are You An Online Pawnshop. Oh Your 40 year old Guitar has some Cracks and Non Original Case, Why i Could Take it off your hands For Say $100 Bucks!! Its only Good For Parts Now!!! Get tha F%^% outta Here!!! He's like a Walking Tour Guide of these Guitars, Covets Them, Dreams About them, Gets a Hard on When he Finds Them. Then Says how Cheap they are, and You should not ask Too Much for one!!! He's one of those annal, It has to have its original Case and Paperwork and Original Hardware Bill of Sale Etc. Who tha Hell Keeps all that for a Japanese Knockoff Guitar Made 40 Years Ago?? Oh I Cant Give you That for Pw -40 it does not have its Original Shit Japanese Tuners I Can only Give You $200.00, Then He Buys it thinking, I've Just got a $600.00 Guitar For $200.00 OH YEA!!!! And By the Way, They are Not Solid Brazilian Backs and Sides, I Do Not Care What the Brochure Says SUNSHINE they Are Laminate!

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