Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

Posted by Don on Sat, 08/14/99 - 23:46:20.

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Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners - Which is best??
I hear that schaller is a better locking tuner and for some reason,
Fender have switch over to them. Does anyone know why ?
I'm inclined towards schaller tuners combined with a LSR roller nut
since I used the wamy bar a lot. Has anyone notice a difference in
this combo?
Appreciate your answers.
Cheers,
Don

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Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

Can you tell me ther URLs of SPERZEL and your nut company?

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: FROM Awesome John!

: Dear Don,

: I stumbled upon your posted question so here is your answer. The LSR nut because of its roller ball bearings adds a very brittle type of treble EQ to the guitars overall responce. Its not so severe with rose wood finger boards but if you have hard maple gloss or ebony you can get alot of unwanted "zing" out of the LSR nut. I've always stayed clear of them and prefer to use the wonderfully rich toned and always in tune nuts from the canadian company "Graftech". They are impregnated with teflon and are slipperier than graphite.Plus they cost peanuts compared to the LSR! Thats what I use and I do 3,1/2 step bends without going out of tune. So Don give the Graftech nut a try it sounds better costs less and stays in tune better than the LSR plus unlike the LSR it requires no cleaning and oiling.

: Now for the tuners.....

: Even though Schaller is a great company with great products when it comes to locking tuners Sperzels definately have the edge. Sperzels posts don't wobble like Schallers, they have less play on the keys when they turn and in general out class schallers in construction. I have locking sperzels on every guitar I own and I got no complaints, for they last 5 years all my guitars have been in tune no exception.

: Fender may be using Schallers now because Mr.Schaller is a spicy old guy and has probably blasted some of the Fender folk. Maybe Schaller gave Fender a special deal who knows, but one thing for sure Schaller makes some great quality products but when it comes to locking tuners Mr. Sperzel is the man. Try some Sperzel locking tuners on your guitar with a Graftech nut and your tuning problems will be over Don,Plus you will have much better tone! Also Graftech makes replacement sadles for the Fender bridge that stay in tune and "don't break strings!" they are called "string savers" and are about the best investment you can make on your Strat. So you figure 10 dollars for the graftech nut, 35 dollars for the saddles and 70 bucks for the Sperzels and you are in business. No more out of tune! No more breaking strings! Plus your tone is up graded to pro standards and string changes take about 10 seconds! It took me my whole life to find this time saving great sounding combination of gear. Now I am sharing the knowledge with my peers. Try it out and free yourself of headaches and bullshit so you can concentrate on playing guitar and making music Don.

: Best Regards
: Awesome John!

Dear Sir,
I have a Gibson Les Paul and I want a Schaller Tuner. Can You help?

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: : Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners - Which is best??

: : I hear that schaller is a better locking tuner and for some reason,
: : Fender have switch over to them. Does anyone know why ?
: : I'm inclined towards schaller tuners combined with a LSR roller nut
: : since I used the wamy bar a lot. Has anyone notice a difference in
: : this combo?
: : Appreciate your answers.

: : Cheers,
: : Don
: i use american deluxe ,ash body, whammy, vint, pups and they come stock with sperzals.on the fat version the lsr nut is standard, i paid 150.00 to add it on sustain for days, crisp snappy playing. if you want mellow swett sound get prs that comes stock with graphite nuts art

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: : Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners - Which is best??

i/ve used gold sperzel's on my custom strat for years, and the one thing i can tell you is when my low e locked up and i couldn't get the string in Sperzel fixed it no questions asked. What could be better than that.

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: Do any of you know if Sperzel has a web site. I wanted to check out what they have to offer, but can't find a thing.
: Schaller has a great site, but what about Sperzel, Grover and others?
: Help appreciated.

: Trevor.
Sperzels website is www.sperzel.com. Maybe you can help me. I can't seem to find Schaller's website.

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: : Hi Awesome john. I want to know if there is a web site for Graftech. I was locking for the site, but could not find it.
: : Thanks for the information on Graftech nuts.

: You can find product info and order on-line at www.graphtech.bc.ca/. Everything I've
: read so far has been extremely positive. Check out the Discussion Forums on www.fender.com for more
: opinions. I'm thinking of going with these on my Lone Star Strat.

:
: Gordman

Hay john thanks for the 411 I just change a set of string on my lonestar and decided it was time for some lockers and a new nut. You saved me some time and money. Thanks again. Pat

Sperzel website

sperzel's site is sperzel.com, but there's very little there. --erik

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

Its not "graftech" its "GRAPHTECH". GEEZ

: FROM Awesome John!

: Dear Don,

: I stumbled upon your posted question so here is your answer. The LSR nut because of its roller ball bearings adds a very brittle type of treble EQ to the guitars overall responce. Its not so severe with rose wood finger boards but if you have hard maple gloss or ebony you can get alot of unwanted "zing" out of the LSR nut. I've always stayed clear of them and prefer to use the wonderfully rich toned and always in tune nuts from the canadian company "Graftech". They are impregnated with teflon and are slipperier than graphite.Plus they cost peanuts compared to the LSR! Thats what I use and I do 3,1/2 step bends without going out of tune. So Don give the Graftech nut a try it sounds better costs less and stays in tune better than the LSR plus unlike the LSR it requires no cleaning and oiling.

: Now for the tuners.....

: Even though Schaller is a great company with great products when it comes to locking tuners Sperzels definately have the edge. Sperzels posts don't wobble like Schallers, they have less play on the keys when they turn and in general out class schallers in construction. I have locking sperzels on every guitar I own and I got no complaints, for they last 5 years all my guitars have been in tune no exception.

: Fender may be using Schallers now because Mr.Schaller is a spicy old guy and has probably blasted some of the Fender folk. Maybe Schaller gave Fender a special deal who knows, but one thing for sure Schaller makes some great quality products but when it comes to locking tuners Mr. Sperzel is the man. Try some Sperzel locking tuners on your guitar with a Graftech nut and your tuning problems will be over Don,Plus you will have much better tone! Also Graftech makes replacement sadles for the Fender bridge that stay in tune and "don't break strings!" they are called "string savers" and are about the best investment you can make on your Strat. So you figure 10 dollars for the graftech nut, 35 dollars for the saddles and 70 bucks for the Sperzels and you are in business. No more out of tune! No more breaking strings! Plus your tone is up graded to pro standards and string changes take about 10 seconds! It took me my whole life to find this time saving great sounding combination of gear. Now I am sharing the knowledge with my peers. Try it out and free yourself of headaches and bullshit so you can concentrate on playing guitar and making music Don.

: Best Regards
: Awesome John!

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: FROM Fat Pat

: Dear Don,

: I found two places on the web so far with Sperzels for 56.00, much cheaper than the $70.00 mentioned in a previous followup and way cheaper than my guitar tech was willing to part with them for.

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: Incredibly Awesome John!- Where can I find these Graftech parts?
I use the sperzel keys and graphtech (not graftech) nuts and saddles on my les pauls and strats. The combo makes a huge difference.
You can find the nuts and saddles at www.graphtech.bc.ca
and the keys at www.musiciansfriend.com
Peace, Jeff (brother).

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

What's up guys,
I use the sperzel keys and graphtech (not graftech) nuts and saddles on my les pauls and strats. The combo makes a huge difference.
You can find the nuts and saddles at www.graphtech.bc.ca
and the keys at www.musiciansfriend.com
Peace, Jeff (www.brother-band.com).

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners - Which is best??

: I hear that schaller is a better locking tuner and for some reason,
: Fender have switch over to them. Does anyone know why ?
: I'm inclined towards schaller tuners combined with a LSR roller nut
: since I used the wamy bar a lot. Has anyone notice a difference in
: this combo?
: Appreciate your answers.

: Cheers,
: Don

SPERZEL

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: FROM Awesome John!

: Dear Don,

: I stumbled upon your posted question so here is your answer. The LSR nut because of its roller ball bearings adds a very brittle type of treble EQ to the guitars overall responce. Its not so severe with rose wood finger boards but if you have hard maple gloss or ebony you can get alot of unwanted "zing" out of the LSR nut. I've always stayed clear of them and prefer to use the wonderfully rich toned and always in tune nuts from the canadian company "Graftech". They are impregnated with teflon and are slipperier than graphite.Plus they cost peanuts compared to the LSR! Thats what I use and I do 3,1/2 step bends without going out of tune. So Don give the Graftech nut a try it sounds better costs less and stays in tune better than the LSR plus unlike the LSR it requires no cleaning and oiling.

: Now for the tuners.....

: Even though Schaller is a great company with great products when it comes to locking tuners Sperzels definately have the edge. Sperzels posts don't wobble like Schallers, they have less play on the keys when they turn and in general out class schallers in construction. I have locking sperzels on every guitar I own and I got no complaints, for they last 5 years all my guitars have been in tune no exception.

: Fender may be using Schallers now because Mr.Schaller is a spicy old guy and has probably blasted some of the Fender folk. Maybe Schaller gave Fender a special deal who knows, but one thing for sure Schaller makes some great quality products but when it comes to locking tuners Mr. Sperzel is the man. Try some Sperzel locking tuners on your guitar with a Graftech nut and your tuning problems will be over Don,Plus you will have much better tone! Also Graftech makes replacement sadles for the Fender bridge that stay in tune and "don't break strings!" they are called "string savers" and are about the best investment you can make on your Strat. So you figure 10 dollars for the graftech nut, 35 dollars for the saddles and 70 bucks for the Sperzels and you are in business. No more out of tune! No more breaking strings! Plus your tone is up graded to pro standards and string changes take about 10 seconds! It took me my whole life to find this time saving great sounding combination of gear. Now I am sharing the knowledge with my peers. Try it out and free yourself of headaches and bullshit so you can concentrate on playing guitar and making music Don.

: Best Regards
: Awesome John!

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: FROM Awesome John!

: Dear Don,

: I stumbled upon your posted question so here is your answer. The LSR nut because of its roller ball bearings adds a very brittle type of treble EQ to the guitars overall responce. Its not so severe with rose wood finger boards but if you have hard maple gloss or ebony you can get alot of unwanted "zing" out of the LSR nut. I've always stayed clear of them and prefer to use the wonderfully rich toned and always in tune nuts from the canadian company "Graftech". They are impregnated with teflon and are slipperier than graphite.Plus they cost peanuts compared to the LSR! Thats what I use and I do 3,1/2 step bends without going out of tune. So Don give the Graftech nut a try it sounds better costs less and stays in tune better than the LSR plus unlike the LSR it requires no cleaning and oiling.

: Now for the tuners.....

: Even though Schaller is a great company with great products when it comes to locking tuners Sperzels definately have the edge. Sperzels posts don't wobble like Schallers, they have less play on the keys when they turn and in general out class schallers in construction. I have locking sperzels on every guitar I own and I got no complaints, for they last 5 years all my guitars have been in tune no exception.

: Fender may be using Schallers now because Mr.Schaller is a spicy old guy and has probably blasted some of the Fender folk. Maybe Schaller gave Fender a special deal who knows, but one thing for sure Schaller makes some great quality products but when it comes to locking tuners Mr. Sperzel is the man. Try some Sperzel locking tuners on your guitar with a Graftech nut and your tuning problems will be over Don,Plus you will have much better tone! Also Graftech makes replacement sadles for the Fender bridge that stay in tune and "don't break strings!" they are called "string savers" and are about the best investment you can make on your Strat. So you figure 10 dollars for the graftech nut, 35 dollars for the saddles and 70 bucks for the Sperzels and you are in business. No more out of tune! No more breaking strings! Plus your tone is up graded to pro standards and string changes take about 10 seconds! It took me my whole life to find this time saving great sounding combination of gear. Now I am sharing the knowledge with my peers. Try it out and free yourself of headaches and bullshit so you can concentrate on playing guitar and making music Don.

: Best Regards
: Awesome John!

I agree with you 100 percent on the Sperzel machines. I also use graphite nuts, Or leave the original nut in there, and put some graphite powder on it. I have only one problem with both these tuners: If you have a nice guitar, say a SRV strat and you want to put locking keys on it, you have to drill out, or make the machine head holes bigger. I am not about to drill out any of my expensive guitars. Why does'nt anyone make locking tuners to retro-fit into the vintage style holes? Can anyone help me on this? Thanks, Earl

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

: Hi Awesome john. I want to know if there is a web site for Graftech. I was locking for the site, but could not find it.
: Thanks for the information on Graftech nuts.

Re: Schaller VS Sperzel locking tuners and LSR nuts - Which is best??

I use schaller and sperzel. I believe sperzel stays in better tune. And they're made in the good old U.S. of A..

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