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    Tim
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    I would really appreciate any advice…

    I was given an old arch top f-holed acoustic, the stradle and machine heads were missing and the nut is split.

    The guitar has a ‘Framus’ transfer under the lower f-hole and the headstock seems to be the right shape for Framus.

    My problem is I’ve been chopping and changing the guitar to suit my style (4-string), so far I’ve only altered the missing bits but the nut is next and I just want to know I’m not messing up something rare/old/etc.

    This is the guitar in its current state:

    #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/Betsy800wide.jpg

    On the back of the headstock appears to be stamped: 14027. I’ve been to the Framus site but it all seems to concern the new electric (Washburn) guitars and amps, VintAxe doesn’t seem to cover them…any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Tim.

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    • #75205
      Tim
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      Uber-bump, but I don’t care cos it’s my thread 😛

      Just spent an hour screwdriver time and this is now back to being a 6-string! Sounds lovely too, much more power than I expected. Just need too learn to play now…

    • #75247
      Tim
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      All the inlays still seem to fit perfectly except that they want to be straight whilst the fretboard is curved, doesn’t look like shrinkage to me. As the inlays have straightened the edges have lifted and I simply twanged it out with my thumb…looks like the 7th will go next so I must find a solution! Thanks for the advice so far,

      Tim.

    • #75233
      lee_UK
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      [quote=”1bassleft”]Because of the age of the guitar, I was assuming that the MOP is celluloid, rather than vinyl. It can shrink with age, so have a look to see if it will go back without leaving a gap. I’m really none too sure that I’d risk cyanoacrylate glue on old celluloid, although there are no surrounding finish areas to worry about. I did a quick webbage (seeing as I completely pantsed my top-of-head posting on pups) on glueing loose celluloid binding etc. They all came up as a job for wood glue, although I didn’t specifically see a “fer Gawd’s sake don’t use superglue” quote either.[/quote]

      😯 i think you have ‘over egged’ the pudding Bass, if it shrinks and comes out with age, stick it back in with superglue again!!

    • #75246
      Tim
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      Ok, I’m still using option 4, (playing without an inlay and thus slowly shafting the fretboard of a 50’s Geetar) But I have some time of work next week and will endeavour sort this out. In addition I will sort this nut out soon so I can play it properly, however, I have to say best thing I ever did though (well maybe not the BEST thing 😀 ), it’s become such a useful song-writing tool.

      EDIT: I’m not actually as camp as I sound online! I’m a mountain biker and I was on both (league and Union) school rugby teams for 5yrs! I think its the words: thus; useful; however; and ‘in addition’ that cause the problem. I will endeavour to reduce the use of the afore mentioned words and phrases accordingly.

    • #75232
      1bassleft
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      Because of the age of the guitar, I was assuming that the MOP is celluloid, rather than vinyl. It can shrink with age, so have a look to see if it will go back without leaving a gap. I’m really none too sure that I’d risk cyanoacrylate glue on old celluloid, although there are no surrounding finish areas to worry about. I did a quick webbage (seeing as I completely pantsed my top-of-head posting on pups) on glueing loose celluloid binding etc. They all came up as a job for wood glue, although I didn’t specifically see a “fer Gawd’s sake don’t use superglue” quote either.

    • #75219
      lee_UK
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      Are you going for the Standard PVA glue? or the waterproof stuff?
      Dr Robert from guitarist mag would only recomend superglue by the way.
      But it’s your guitar.
      Of course you could try option 3, Bluetak.
      And if you have a blue peter badge you would have already tried the
      double sided sticky tape.

      Have you listened to that French guys Stones song??

    • #75239
      Tim
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      Thanks, I’ll try the wood glue first as I can’t figure what its made of (its one of the big width-of-the-neck ones)

      Tim..

    • #75211
      mrblanche
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      Speaking of Framus guitars, my wife brought one back from France in 1972. It was a pretty nice accoustic, steel strings, and an odd nut configuration, but I don’t recall what that was, exactly. It was new when she bought it, and we ended up selling it for about $100 in 1973 (hey, we were newly married, and sometimes we couldn’t afford to feed the cat, let alone ourselves).

      It was definitely a guitar that was never seen in the US. I’ll bet someone has a real “conversation piece” today!

    • #75212
      1bassleft
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      Mother of Pearl (sometimes irreverantly called mother of toilet seat). I don’t think cyanoacrylate (superglue) will harm it (definitely won’t harm the neck) but you could use wood glue to be safe. The trick is to get flat, even pressure over it so that it doesn’t rise up somewhere, and wipe off any XS before it sets.

    • #75217
      lee_UK
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      Ask the audience or phone a friend?
      Ok, im going with Superglue, its what i would stick a new Nut down with,
      plastic resin on wood, your inlay is crying out for a bit of Bostik.
      Get your coat on, and get straight down to B+Q.

      I went in there last week for some contact glue, i got a large tin of EvoStick, i needed it to stick some foam on to a pedalboard, and the sales lady refused to give me a plastic bag with it!!
      whats that all about?

    • #75227
      Tim
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      HELP!…I was playing the above guitar, bent a note and flicked out one of the inlays (it’d always been loose 😳 ) The board is rosewood but I don’t know what the inlay is made of so I don’t know what to stick it back in with….could be plastic? Going with the theory it is an original 50’s Framus anyone know the safest approach?

      Thanks, Tim.

    • #75173
      lee_UK
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      good luck tim.

    • #75170
      Tim
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      Thanks Lee, that makes sense, I’ll think I’ll take the plunge…any restoration would need to replace the nut anyway I assume? so it may as well replace the new one cut for 4 strings and in the meantime I get the guitar I want.

      Thanks again, Tim.

    • #75162
      lee_UK
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      If you do take out the old nut a good tip is to cut around the nut with a craft knife, this will stop the laquer splitting out when you remove it, you should get a block of wood and push it up against the nut (fretboard side) and give it a sharp tap with a hammer knocking the nut backwards towards the head, the new one can then be replaced using instant glue.

    • #75153
      Tim
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      Looks like an excellent site, thanks for the link. I’ll go and Explore…

      Tim.

    • #75195
      1bassleft
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      If you do lift out the old nut, I found graphite to be the easiest to work with when making a new one. A very handy tech and all-round pleasant guy I’ve dealt with has produced a handy calculator for string-spacing on a new nut. His name’s Steve, in the ‘burbs of Manchester, and here’s the link to his nuts 😯

      http://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/onlinetools.html

    • #75159
      Tim
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      Thanks SB, I’ll look up some of those models, great site by the way just didn’t happen to have what I needed this time, thanks for the advice though. Didn’t realise it might be that old, lovely tone for blues though.

      Hey 1bassleft, No they’re not, they’re more like Strat style things, the originals were ‘misplaced’ by the original owner along with the straddle. Like I said the only original bit I’d want to change is the nut which is split above the low E anyway, as shown:

      #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/nut600wide.jpg

      I don’t really play it as a bass so much as a bit of both, sort of, I just love the sound basically and find it easy to write on when just sat chilling or waiting for downloads or whatever…

      Thanks for all your advice,

      Tim.

    • #75167
      1bassleft
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      Tim, there are Frami semi basses with the “Bill Wyman” connection that people ask money for. Whether they get it is a moot point. Anyhoo, can I ask a few Qs?

      Are they the original tuners, and you just removed a couple? I really, really would be surprised if they’re the original tuners. If they’re not, who cares about changing the nut? You’re right, it needs to be done toot dasweet to play as a bass. The current spacing is awful. If youi want to re-sell as an acoustic 6er in the future, I doubt if a replaced nut would be the biggest issue.

    • #75186
      SB
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      Hi Tim,

      The guitar looks to me like a mid 50’s model. I have a picture of a mid 50’s Sorella (5/59 model) that looks very similar except the Sorella has a cut-away. So, my guess is that it is either a Rosita model 5/58 or a Tango (5/57) but I can’t know for sure since I don’t have a picture of either of these 2 guitars.

      Anyway, I say don’t hurt it. Value at best is probably $400-$500 USD since it will have nonoriginal parts, but it definately looks worth restoring. If you want something acoustic to carry around the house and bonk on get a 60’s Kay or Truetone archtop for $70 and make whatever mods you want. BTW, thanks for visiting VintAxe. SB

    • #75172
      Tim
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      E-A-D-G

      I’m a bassist, I basically carry this guitar around the house and play blues on it, I only need those four for blues runs and it means I can have them 16mm apart at the bridge (same as my Aria) but the taper is crazy as the nut is still original.

      Hopefully (odd as it sounds) the guitar won’t be worth much and I can make a new nut giving the strings the same taper as my bass, don’t think I’ll ever put it down then!

      Tim.

    • #75164
      glw
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      4-string? Out of interest, how are you tuning that? Is it like a tenor guitar tuning?

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