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    mrblanche
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    I’m comparing the Fender Showmaster to the Ibanez RG320. The Fender has a set neck, and the Ibanez has a bolt-on, although Ibanez does make some others with set necks.

    Can anyone give me any feedback on the advantages/disadvantages of each, as well as some opinion on the two guitars?

    Thanks.

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    • #66088
      lee_UK
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      Go with the Ibanez, for the models you are looking at they are the better instrument.

    • #66124
      mrblanche
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      I tried both the Fender (2 copies) and Ibanez (2 copies) in a local music store, and I just didn’t like the feel of the Fender at all, and when I tuned them up, both Fenders had a lot of fret buzz. Probably just not set up yet, but neither of the Ibanez had that problem. I have also heard somewhere that the Fender showmasters, at least the flamed/quilted maple top ones, have been discontinued. I haven’t seen that officially anywhere yet.

      I’ll confess a weakness for natural wood; I spent 5 years in a cabinet shop paint department, and I can put a lacquer piano finish on almost anything!

    • #66082
      1bassleft
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      Yes, it’s a fair point that most other makes don’t resale like the Fender/Gibson/Ric trio do. It had crossed my mind but, as you say, getting the right guitar for you is more important than what you might get selling it on.

      I’ll say another thing. There are certain Gibsons, and certain Fenders, that just don’t catch on and they don’t fetch a big price s/h on eBay either. Standard Strats and Teles, standard LPs and SGs, that’s what conservative types pay for s/h. That Fender you were considering is a classic depreciator. There just wouldn’t be enough buyers interested to get it selling for a good price s/h. In that respect, the Ibanez is no worse than that Fender; probably better. At least the Ibanez is what you’d expect from the brand.

    • #66107
      mrblanche
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      and yes, that’s the one. Haven’t recieved it yet, but I’ve looke at a couple of examples of the guitar at a local store.

      It has a list of almost $600, but a street price of about $450 and you can find it new for as little as $329. I avoided the Floyd Rose style tremolo; it looked more complicated than I need.

      One worrying point is that these don’t sell well on e-bay, but the Fender does. Of course, that’s like buying a Harley or a Peterbilt; it’s only important if you’re buying for the next guy, not yourself. (That ought to start up a discussion!)

    • #66094
      lee_UK
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      #http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/4573/s470dxqmcn1m059cv.jpg
      I have this model in my armoury and find it the most versatile of all my guitars, i have it by the main computer, connected to a Line 6 guitar port, i just learn all my songs with it, and it is a very good guitar, i dont like the look of it, mine is actualy an orangy/yellow burst, the shape isnt realy to my taste but i bought it for it versatility. Mine is made in Korea and the build and quality level is very good too.

    • #66120
      1bassleft
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      Blanche, I had a look and is this yours – the QMAM?

      #http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/models/SA160QMAM.jpg

      the 160QH is a sunburst ash-body. Either way, I reckon you’ve chosen a better guitar than either of the first two you mentioned (WARNING! humble bass player opinion 🙂 )

      The HSS pickups should be quite versatile (is that a rotary selector?) compared with the twin HBs, and the wood looks better. I doubt if it is one-piece mahogany (flip it over and have a good look) but I wouldn’t worry if it’s not. One-piece costs more and it only matters to those who think less glue = better tone (darned if I can tell).

      Structurally, a three-piece core body capped with a two-piece maple is very strong. Rather like a brick wall; the mortar doesn’t sit on the same line. Again, the three-piece maple neck is a good thing if (and I’m sure it has) it’s lined up properly with opposing grain.

      Good pick of guitar, IMHO.

    • #66110
      mrblanche
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      OK, what I actually did was bought an Ibanez SA160QMAH. That’s the quilted maple, amber finish.

      I believe it has a mahogony body… I wonder if it’s one piece, or 3 or more pieces like most Fender bodies?

    • #66105
      1bassleft
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      Basswood body on the Ibanez, though – not my favourite wood. It’s not a tone thing, it’s just that basswood dings so easily.

    • #66106
      Tim
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      I think what they’re trying to say is go for the Ibanez, and for my bit, get it in Gunmetal, they look cool (well, apart from the trademark ‘Axe of Cheese’ looks) at least it doesn’t have a monkey-grip! And that Fender is B-ugly

      Tim.

    • #66083
      lee_UK
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      Whats slightly worrying is, that picture looks like a catalogue picture, so if that was the best they could find, what does the worst look like? maybe they are made in China where they havent quite grasped the concept of bookmatching.

    • #66091
      1bassleft
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      OK, mock the pleasant plucker, you six-stringers 🙂 . HST, I might be a root-picking, one-string-at-a-time man, but wait a second.

      Putting to one side the obvious, in order of importance:
      1) Pups and electronics
      2) Body and neck woods
      3) Ancillary stuff like bolt-on, set-neck, neck-thru, truss rod adjuster at the heel or the headstock

      I had a look at that Fender Showmaster:
      #http://www.americanmusical.com/images/h/p31362h.jpg

      and I thought “Whadda?”

      The only point of a flame maple top (it makes no difference to tone) is that it looks pretty. It looks pretty if it’s bookmatched. What the perfooey is that top from Fender? I got a better job from laying down a laminate floor in my bathroom. A bookmatched flame maple is pretty simple; saw down the middle and lay the two halves flat. The Fender looks like a couple of slabs in the warehouse stuck together. A real candidate for the “worst finish” thread. For the money they’re asking, I wouldn’t touch one unless it just happened to even up. The random I’ve posted from a guitar seller looks blimmin’ ghastly.

    • #66090
      mrblanche
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      Do go on about the difference!

    • #66099
      lee_UK
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      I think you have potted the black on the first try Bass, your observations are as usual, spot on. But then of course you could go on to the differences between the maple and the mahogany…

    • #66109
      1bassleft
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      I can only say, as a bass player, that the bolt-neck seems to be brighter with more emphasis on initial attack and decays quicker. A thru-neck has a wider envelope. Proper guitarists will come in with more useful ops, but that’s my opening coupla pfennigs… 🙂

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