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April 10, 2006 at 7:37 pm #23095rkhmakParticipant
Hi,
I just purchased a classical guitar from a small second-hand stuff shop, the label in the guitar is :
FABRICA DE GUITARRAS BANDURRIAS Y LAUDES
HIJOS DE VICENTE TATAY S.L.POLIGONG INDUSTRIAL FTE JARRO
VALENCIA (ESPANA)
I guess it’s from Spain. I have tried to search for information about this brand and the model through yahoo and google, but just few information could be seen.
I was able to see VICENTE TATAY Tomas and Vicente Tatay SRC but never could I find anything about VICENTE TATAY “S.L.”.
Anyone has information about the item above? What is the model and how old is it? Is the “S.L.” really come from the old brand Vicente Tatay or some one just put the label on and tried to pretend to be.
Any information related to the item will be appreciated. Thank you.
Mike
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December 29, 2007 at 4:53 am #76917TimParticipant
Sounds fair to me.
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December 28, 2007 at 1:08 am #769261bassleftParticipant
🙂 , Having just gone through John Lennon Airport to get over to Malaga, I´d say your chances would be very slim. I think a distance runner´s trainers count as a WMD all by themselves. I virtually stripped (and paid two quid each for “speedy security” – even the security forces are in on the act), was about the only person not to set off the ding-a-ling but still some bloke decided to give me a routine frottage.
Crikey, the bloke knew I hung to the left after he´d finished. Here atGuitarsite we have a FS/WTB section but it´s really to keep the one-post offloaders away from the main boards. If you have some nice guitars, particularly the Fenders and Gibsons, you´re best looking at regular posters to such fora as your best source.
Over on Plexi Palace (a vintage amps forum I frequent) there are plenty of players who would rather sell their kids than part out a nice guitar.
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December 23, 2007 at 1:58 pm #76887jbunstonParticipant
Interesting and very helpful advice 1bass.
I have tons of fun watching the yearly “too awful to look at” lists of guitars for sale so I’m well aware of the inflated self-worth some owners ascribe to their FS postings 😉
I will do as you suggested. Sentimentality is what got me dragging my stuff across the continent six or seven times as a struggling pro athlete (distance runner) with no driver’s license. It’s friggin hard to barter your way onto a flight with two extra carry-ons since 2001.
JB
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December 21, 2007 at 7:13 am #769071bassleftParticipant
That’s an interesting Q, jb.
To my mind, watching the final bids on Fleeb for a guitar is the most brutal but honest evaluation of a guitar’s worth. Most (AFAIK, and that involves a bit of conjecture, certainly) are sold as playable instruments and bought by people who want to play them. A basketcase that’s too expensive/time consuming to bring back to standard may be bought purely for parts value and stripped out; but that’s fair enough. A decent axe is usually worth more than the sum of its parts.
The exception that springs to mind (for me) is the Fender Mustang/Duosonic etc guitar. You’d see the 60s-dated neckplate, “F”-marked tuners, 60s-dated pups and CTS pots (all useable gold-dust on a Strat or Tele) listed with big BIN prices and the alder body languishing at <$100 with no bids. Things are changing now, as a complete Mustang will fetch >$1000 fairly easily.
I have to say I’m not sentimental. If I loved the guitar so much, I wouldn’t sell it. If I am prepared to post it off in a box, I might as well get the most money I can – no point hoping it “goes to a good home”.
(a) it’s not my wife; it’s an assemblage of wood and electronics
(b) I don’t believe for a moment any “I’ll offer you half-price, but promise that my war-veteran, twice-decorated, victim of a mugging son will cherish it like his own goolies” story.If you absolutely have to sell a cherished guitar to a loving owner, there’s only one way. Sign up to the relevant forum (a quick search), make enough posts to qualify for posting a “for sale” topic, and offer it at a good price to any member with, say, >100 posts. Wait for the PMs to arrive.
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December 18, 2007 at 11:38 pm #76901jbunstonParticipant
Interesting to see how the pricing issue is perceived by the experts here.
I had such a question some time ago as well, and have learned it’s a very dodgey question to ask up front.
Perhaps a good follow up question then: if someone were coming to this forum to find the best means of disposing of a good guitar, what would be the best place to go? The most suitable owners might not pay more $$, but the result is that the guitar might not be stripped for parts.
I have a guitar I’m seeking an owner for, and I see plenty of guitars listed on eBay and elsewhere, however in my case I would prefer to see this thing go to someone who will treat it with as much care as I have for the last 16 years. I imagine many are merely out there to valuate something like the 5th in a line of 1000 guitars they’re trying to dump. How does everyone here filter out the sincere requests when valuing guitars seems to be such a subjective affair?
JB
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October 11, 2007 at 7:28 am #768541bassleftParticipant
More posters always welcome here. Anything that prevents me from mentioning “Lee”, “shift key” and “first person singular pronoun” in the same sentence is a good thing.
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October 11, 2007 at 12:49 am #69456TimParticipant
🙄 😆
Good point though.
I know nothing about guitars (6-strings anyway) and yet I regularly offer my opinion! There must be people out there who do know stuff and/or have good/bad experiences to share…
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October 10, 2007 at 5:49 pm #76915lee_UKParticipant
I am always surprised at the amount of viewers we get on this forum, opposed to the amount of posters, i wish more would contribute, thanks for that Lenny i hope you decide to post up some more views, we need them!! have you noticed how we have resorted to picking holes in grammar and Pronunciation?? thats how bad things are getting.
The other day ‘Tim’ said ‘you’re spending quite a bit of money at he end of the day…’ and i was gonna reply to correct him on his spelling!! then i thought ‘how sad would that be?’ so lets get some new blood on here,
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October 10, 2007 at 7:34 am #76909LennyGATCParticipant
The Tatays from Long Island had their shop in Farmingville. They closed up shop a few years ago, and I’m not sure if they closed for good, or relocated. It was a small shop, but produced quality instruments, as well as providing repair work, which is what I needed. I was sorry to see him close down. It was nice to have a highly renown guitar manufacturer, which is what he was, within walking distance.
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January 3, 2007 at 12:15 am #1267501bassleftParticipant
😆 , bit beyond my powers, wormseye. Strange tunings… not out shopping with Toyah Wilcox by any chance?
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December 31, 2006 at 5:18 pm #76717wormseyeParticipant
well…….. I picked one of these up at Wolverhampton tat market for 75 english pounds….. looks like a bargain from what you are saying…. i got it tuned 6e 7b 6e 3g 2b 3g and it seems to work best with open and A shape chords……… can any of u lot fix me some gigs for an American Tour?
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May 1, 2006 at 8:26 am #766661bassleftParticipant
You’re welcome Mike, and check in anytime 🙂
Lee and I just took an opportunity to niggle each other, but I win because my arms are browner, now. Valencia is nice, but I was further south, in Andalucia (I feel a sense of smugness coming on – must stop typing).
1BL
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April 19, 2006 at 3:09 pm #126749rkhmakParticipant
Dear All,
I am still here 😀 But not always 🙂 cuz` I dont have too much time to connect to the net. I m just a beginner and am interested in every thing about guitar and so I have entered your site to “my favorite”.
Thank you 1bassleft, lee_UK, USGold again for replying to this thread. Thanks.
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April 16, 2006 at 8:11 am #766911bassleftParticipant
[quote]Thats why i let you accumulate more posts than me[/quote]
:lol:. I never saw the bigger picture. Well, you’ve got 2 weeks on me. BTW, you’re memory’s good. I think it was an Antigua valuation; starting up the now-legendary “worst finish” thread 🙂
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April 14, 2006 at 10:34 pm #126747lee_UKParticipant
No, i think iit was about an Antigua Strat, he had an original 79′ or whatever year it was, i told him i did’nt like them much, i think they are an aquired tatse, i think we gave him an honest valuation and then….
and i said…. and he said… and…a nd…Anyway..
Thats why i let you accumulate more posts than me, i was sick and tired of being picked off with the high powered sniper rifle from the bell tower, so i decided to let you ‘walk point’……. for a while 😆‘Some day this war is gonna end’
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April 14, 2006 at 10:24 am #767441bassleftParticipant
Pronoun trouble, but I think we’re talking about the same thread, Lee. Someone who didn’t like the valuation answer so then suggested we ought to get out more. I’m with Scott; too funny to get uppity over. Could’ve sworn that the really unpleasant “what’s it worth” poster started venting at you first, Lee. Back then, you had more posts than I and looked like an easier target. Besides, I’m sure it was you that gave the honest op that it was a worthless plank – always guaranteed to have you flamed 😆
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April 13, 2006 at 6:24 am #76695lee_UKParticipant
Do you remember the guy from Manchester Bass? whats my guitar worth?
usual 1 poster, he got all the info he needed, and someone gave him a bit of back chat and he started to say how sad we are, for having over 1,000 posts! havent we got a life?? and i thought out of that 1,000 half were replies to idiots like you!
It wasnt me he was refering to by the way.. 😆 -
April 12, 2006 at 10:07 pm #76670USGoldParticipant
I can almost feel the frustration these things must make for you-but I’m sitting here LMFAO. US Gold (Scott)
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April 12, 2006 at 5:56 am #766611bassleftParticipant
Ooh, you’re sore, Lee. In need of a holiday? 😆
Mike did at least take time to post up thanks but, for long-suffering types like Lee, myself and SB of http://www.vintaxe.com, it is a bit dispiriting to see people disappear once they have the info. There’s more to Guitarsite than just obscure valuations. My fave, though was the one that went something like:
zeroposter: What is this and what is it worth?
Lee: That’s a Columbus; a terrible plank I once owned. Worthless.
zero(+1)poster: Get a life you sad ******
end of threadThreads like that can really warm the cockles of a mod’s heart. Hope you can take the time to have a look around the other threads, Mike (you’d be our 3rd “Mike” here) and chip in on anything that interests you.
On another note, I’ve often thought an “Acoustic” sub-cat would be a good idea if weren’t bogged down with “what’s it worth?” threads. Must be other useful subjects, like “switched to steels and my fingerpads hurt. What plasters do you use?” 😆
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April 11, 2006 at 10:42 pm #76697lee_UKParticipant
Thats the last we will hear from him.
Unless of course he stumbles across another guitar with a bit of spanish on it, which loosley translates to ‘Sons of the guns of the industrial estate’.
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April 11, 2006 at 9:42 am #76662rkhmakParticipant
Thank you so much 1bassleft, you are a great guy!!
Your information is very helpful to me.
Thank you again.
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April 11, 2006 at 8:26 am #767031bassleftParticipant
Follow-up. Bandurrias and Lauds (or Laudes, in Spanish) are 12-string variations on the guitar/mandolin format. This site has some to view:
http://www.fernandezmusic.com/Bandurrias%20and%20Laudes.html
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April 11, 2006 at 8:19 am #766741bassleftParticipant
Lee will probably kick my smart-arse and call me a smug git, but I’m hopping back to Spain soon and a lot of that label made sense to me. “Hijos de” means “sons of”, “Poligono industrial” means “industrial estate” and “S.L” means “Limited Company”.
Vicente Tatay was one of a number of guitar makers in Valencia in the early half of the 20th century and became quite successful. The business passed to his sons and has become a small factory business. Without seeing the guitar, I’d expect the value to be in the region of $250. I did find this useful link:
http://www.zavaletas-guitarras.com/files/zvalencia.htm
which is in English. Hope this helps.
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April 11, 2006 at 7:14 am #126748lee_UKParticipant
We are like a free valuation service here, maybe we should collectivly get together and charge.
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April 11, 2006 at 3:21 am #126746USGoldParticipant
A virtual “plethora” of references by pasting the name you listed into a google search. Of course most were in spanish so I didn’t follow any but put it in and invest the time you should get something.
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April 11, 2006 at 2:43 am #76701rkhmakParticipant
One more thing please…
Does anyone know the value of this item?
Thanks.
Mike
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