Home | News | Gear Guides | Electric Guitars | Acoustic Guitars | Top Amps | Forum | Newsletter | Guitar Sites Directory | Search
  :: Register :: Log in :: Archive :: Old Forum :: FAQ :: Search :: Usergroups :: Profile :: Log in to check your private messages


What did Digital (and transistors) ever do for us ?
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    GuitarSite.com Guitar Discussion Forum Index -> Accident & Emergency

Digital or Analogue ?
Digital
33%
 33%  [ 1 ]
Analogue
66%
 66%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 3

Author Message
lee_UK
Rolling Stone No.8
Rolling Stone No.8


Joined: 04 Feb 2005
Posts: 3386
Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: What did Digital (and transistors) ever do for us ? Reply with quote

Is it me, or are we going backwards from audio technology design and in favour of Digital alternatives?

We had Valve amplifiers in the 60's and we dumped them for 'superior' transistor design, now we have people willing to sell there soul to the devil for an original Marshall Plexi, or a Van load of lost original Mullard valves..
Audio Stereo Amplifiers are the same, the older amps are now fetching good money on ebay as people realise that these older amps had money spent on research and development in circuit design rather than a nice piece of Teak to finish off the front panel.
Vinyl Vs CD? Vinyl is far better but most of us went out a re-bought out record collection to go digital, then we have SACD, superior to CD? need a new player, and a new CD collection, Analogue TV vs Digital TV, can anyone actualy say Digital TV (line for line) is better than analogue?
Digital Radio better than VHF? no i don't think so, if you lose a bit of reception on digital the whole station crackles and pops, all that happens on VHF is you lose a bit of quality, the program is still listenable.
Now we are being sold the MP3 revolution, MP3 is rubbish, and HDTV will change the world, from what ive seen it will only change your bank balance when you have to re-purchase your DVD collection.
The only plus i can see is in the DVD vs VHS arena, DVD and hard disk recording of analogue TV and DVD playback disks are far superior to the old VHS tape.
Hard disk recording vs Analogue tape? im sorry but unless you have thousands of pounds to spend im in the Tape camp. Hard disk recording can sound harsh unless you can process the sound in some way.

DIGITAL IS RUBBISH.

or to give it it's real name:

00000110
00000110
00000110
Back to top
Michael
Lead Virtuoso
Lead Virtuoso


Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 1897
Location: Brisbane, Australia

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we might be going backwards in two senses, which in effect may mean we are going back in time to get to the future, or vice versa? MARTY, WE HAVE To GO BACK IN TIME!

1) Heading forward with cheaper digital alternatives. Sometimes the advanced technology is great, and other times I think the quality of the product is reduced. Only when paying the highest dollar do you get the best quality. That same money could therefore be spent on a valve.

2) Theres a trend where buying CDs is passť -- Vinyl is in again. At the same time, MP3 is also in. Vintage guitar replicas are in (not necessarily as good), but software like Amplitube is in. It's all over the place.

Still to say digital is rubbish? It's the consumers fault for wanting everything cheap as chips. Would I give up my DVDs for my old videos? No way.
Back to top
1bassleft
Lowdown Cack-hander
Lowdown Cack-hander


Joined: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 4035
Location: "Hit The North"

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valve-sniffer here (off-topic, just bought another Fradan Echomatic. Must stop talking about them - had to pay almost £70 this time).

There are some really good things about dig. The guitarist's minidisk is miles more useful than cassette for plonking down ideas. All the really shi'ite ones can be wiped once we realize how bad they are (interesting how the bad ones are recorded four times, getting ever-lengthier. The good ones are one-takes and short) and new ones put straight over them. Before that, decent ideas were buried in a sea of chaff.

OTOH, despite the apparent convenience, I'm going nowhere near mp3, download, store 1000 songs one player stuff. Maybe OK for the car with the windows down but otherwise terrible. It's the compression thing. I get tired of these "check out my latest amp" posts on Plexi Palace. The mightymod there did a "compare my Crate Powerblock" or whatever it's called. It was versus a Marshall Superbass and a Bogen (a 6L6 powered old audio amp that's easy to convert for guitar).

Without getting my head kicked in (that's a surprise for me on their off-topic lounge) I pointed out that they all sounded rubbish. I own a Superbass and a Bogen and that upload/download/click here sounded nothing like reality. I still spotted that the Crate was uber-cack, though. In the same way that, having guffed several times in a lift, you can still tell that someone else has dropped one and it smells worse.
Back to top
lee_UK
Rolling Stone No.8
Rolling Stone No.8


Joined: 04 Feb 2005
Posts: 3386
Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get those power Crate amp heads for £50 now, rrp is £149, i think there is a container load of surplus crate gear sitting in Tilbury dock.
But to be fair, i think they were meant to be a backup amp for your gigging band, not a lot of features but they could substitute a Bass or 6 string or maybe even a PA amp if one should let you down in a gig.
And they are small and light enough for your roadie to carry on his utility belt. Not a bad idea for £50.
Back to top
1bassleft
Lowdown Cack-hander
Lowdown Cack-hander


Joined: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 4035
Location: "Hit The North"

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mod rated it very highly (quite brave on Plexi Palace, where Crate and most things SS are treated like horsemen of the apocalypse). I wasn't getting at the Crate so much as pointing out that uploading and dowloading music on the 'net is pointless unless you have wax ears. Thanks to being compressed to death, the sound quality is terrible. Trying to compare amps or, even funnier, different valve makes in the same amp, by clicking on a link is just a waste of time.
Back to top
rjhalsey
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 31 May 2007
Posts: 36
Location: Ohio

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did Digital (and transistors) ever do for us you ask? It increased the value of tube (valve) amps! Evil or Very Mad

-Ralphie
Back to top
Tim
Low Frequency Out
Low Frequency Out


Joined: 14 Aug 2005
Posts: 1221
Location: Probably at the bar.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valve/SS who care's? I play through any old crud (specifically, a Peavy POS150)

70% of your sound is in the speakers/cab you use and the rest, as we all know, is in the fingers.
Back to top
lee_UK
Rolling Stone No.8
Rolling Stone No.8


Joined: 04 Feb 2005
Posts: 3386
Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe true for the 4 stringers, but.......
Back to top
Tim
Low Frequency Out
Low Frequency Out


Joined: 14 Aug 2005
Posts: 1221
Location: Probably at the bar.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lee_UK wrote:
maybe true for the 4 stringers, but.......


Not sure 1bl will agree...
Back to top
rjhalsey
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 31 May 2007
Posts: 36
Location: Ohio

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will take a Black Face Fender over and boutique electronic amp and day!

Ralphie
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    GuitarSite.com Guitar Discussion Forum Index -> Accident & Emergency All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 



Can't post? Make sure you Register or log in.