Bassleft is a big bollock

rayc · Groupie Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 32

BTW -- My name is actually Michael and I am from Boston Mass. The "rayc" screen name is one that I took from a card game and is actually the first name of a character (rayc rather than Ray C.). I am not now, nor have I ever been, 1bassleft.

1bassleft · Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:

Am I glad to hear that Very Happy

! Seeing as we've discussed other things, Michael, I was wondering if Wasp was 90% right and I'd actually been talking to myself.

If I were (ludicrous suggestion) to invent an alter-ego just for Wasp, I'd have gone for "1RightGit" and amused myself watching him agree with my 100% agreements with him.

I did actually understand the 'banjo' joke, and I take your point (made me Laughing

, too). So much for my "Layla" theory Smile

lee_UK · Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:34 am Post subject:

Wasp will probably come back with untampered-with evidence from 15 independent websites, from 6 countries over 3 continents that agree with him, so he must be right, after all it's on the those URL's, it must be true ...GUILTY Crying or Very sad

Michael · Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject:

I can confirm that 1bl and rayc are different people. And despite 1bl's self confessed love with C.S.I, I don't think he's using his elite hacker skills to route IP's through a Russian space station solely for the purpose of fooling us. But hey... you never do know what lengths some people will go to when it comes to defending eric claptons tone. never Twisted Evil

lee_UK · Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:

And i can confirm that i am Eric Clapton !! i have been stringing everybody along (no pun intended) from my Surrey England Mansion, i now feel i can reveal myself and i can say that what my alter ego lee_uk was saying about the 10-90 rule is in fact correct, and only a damn fool would beleive that the intro to 'Layla' was played on a Banjo, everybody knows it was a Ukelele, and it was only my 90% tonal finger technique that made it sound like a Vintage Strat (tm) played through a Fender Bassman (tm), and so i stick 2 fingers up to the rosser (policeman) known as Youngwasp (who's only technique involves right hand wrist action), and applaud all 'Yes' voters to the 10-90 rule.... 1bassleft and rayc.
Good on ya boyzzzz.

1bassleft · Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:11 am Post subject:

And I'm actually Graham Chapman, so "Stop that, it's silly!"

Looks like we can wind this diversion-thread up. I'm quite tempted to go back to virtualtoad's original thread (although Ryan must have long since given up looking in). Toad asked about trends and ops on pedals and FX, and I have some. Ironically, Wasp had a listenable POV, too - but the spatter-gun "I notice a slight disagreement, so I shall patronize and insult you" technique kindof spoilt it.

Oops, before he posts in - I'd better agree that his technique was only 10% of the problem, and the tone of his posts caused 90% of the offence Wink

See you all on the other thread(s),
Bass Smile

postscript: Another forum, another thread. A rapper called "MC Spice" sampled (legally pinched) a piece of "Tears in Heaven" and got himself quoted saying something like "I've been into EC since he started out in the 70s with Steely Dan"
Shocked

I kid you not, he said that. Anyhoo, while we chortled about it, somebody posted up a .wav pastiche of EC playing "Reeling in the Years". It's brilliant, must link it sometime. WRT Wasp, it took more than a pedal. Anyfule could've done the RitY riff with a "Bluesbreaker" stomp, but this one had that s-l-o-w hand that was pure EC, and all the funnier for it.
No partic point, but just wanted to mention it.

fenderbender · Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 2

I’ve only been playing the guitar for about a year and look at lots of sites to find stuff out. I have been following the argument about tone and playing but am even more confused than when it started. The wasp person kept asking for lee to give details about what he meant and after a while he did, but even I could see that lee had just added all the numbers together and it was load of rubbish. The lee person then said it was all just a joke but now he says it is all true and everyone agrees with him. Could someone please explain exactly what the truth is, this is messing with my head.

Michael · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject:

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

Opinions are devided straight up the middle... and I'm thinkin' it's gonna stay that way.

1bassleft · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:06 am Post subject:

FB, I don't blame you Smile

. You're right about Lee's % gobbledeegook; it was a wind-up because Wasp had a "definite" view about %s. Lee's last post may have been to coax Wasp out again. Please don't, Lee - those paragraphs of his hurt my head too.

FWIW, I think FX pedals and modellers are useful and dandy. In all of that stuff, Wasp pointed out how a unit allows him to switch quickly to good emulations of an acoustic, Dobro, Tele, whatever without having to swap guitars. He's perfectly right, of course. They're getting good now - a fretted bass can be made reasonably fretless sounding, for instance.

What they do not do (and I can't see why Wasp smugged anyone who mentioned this) is make you an "instant" replica of the big-name player. Learning about the style of the player comes in. As I've said before, nobody in the audience nods sagely and says "That guy plays like a plonker but he's got that JTM45 into a 4x12 loaded with Celestion Greenbacks tone spot on!" It just doesn't happen.

Unfortunately, the "Clapton plays Reeling in the Years" link is now dead. Pity, it was a great example. If any player here could help me out with their fab technique and ability to post up a mp3, try this one Cool

Play "RitY" in the style of Gary Moore's "Parisienne Walkways". There are two ways of doing it. (1) Step on a "Gary Moore tone pedal" and just play RitY. (2) Imagine Gary's just been yanked out of the studio to help out the Dans, and play it his way.

Now let 10,000 people listen to it and I guarantee that 9,999 will think version (2) sounds like Gary Moore auditioning for Steely Dan. I know it proves nothing about TONE (wasp), but it does prove something about normal human hearing.

If Keef plays "Satisfaction" etc on his usual Tele these days, that was definitely nothing like the guitar he used back then. Nobody's asking for their money back at the gig.

youngwasp · Got Rhythm Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 71

Following a week of night duty, (plus two long mornings in court), then four days away in Cornwall, I have only just sat in front of my domestic server and even thought about seeing how this had all panned out.
I guess I didn’t make it clear that my job severely restricts my access, let alone desire, to visit websites. Stating my occupation had nothing to do with gaining respect, merely that I work shifts and I would not be around much once back at work, so posts designed to ‘draw’ me out where simply redundant.

So everything was all a big joke? Well of course we all know that it certainly wasn’t a joke, even poor Michael backs this up succinctly. He says, ‘Opinions are divided straight up the middle... and I'm thinkin' it's gonna stay that way’. Aren’t jokes supposed to be made up? If it is a joke then how can Michael believe half the people accept Lee’s 90/10 claim as true!

We all know it was no joke, Lee spent ages hedging before responding, no-one sprang to his defence or offered up supporting evidence. He finally cobbled together a load of techniques and made up figures believing that by adding this all together would somehow prove himself right. Even those musical passages that did not include a single hammer-on, the reader was asked to accept would be included in the math. Lee asked for my concise response, this I supplied pointing out that the effect of each technique was not cumulative and Monkey Boy was nuked in one hit!
Realising his water tight deliberations were simply a colander, he tried to convince everyone that it was all a joke and lots of masonic back slapping and rank closing ensued intended to minimise embarrassment.
It is a great shame that this latter act was forced to arise as it greatly compromised everyone handcuffed to Lee’s bedpost by association.

I accept you know a lot about your subject Lee, but we all make mistakes and all you have succeeded in doing is confusing people, extremely evident by the above posts. You are the literary equivalent of Spinal Tap, someone posts something and you must take things not to ‘one louder’, but ‘one better’. It is the way you are, the way you operate, we are all different and I accept that. However this environment is very useful for those who want to increase their knowledge, have an interesting debate or simply shoot the breeze, BUT the moment you try covering a mistake that everyone can clearly see is incorrect (no supporting evidence by one person/a site address), your credibility plummets.

For those who are still confused;

A guitarist’s fretting hand can only alter the pitch of note by bending or shortening the strings. This is technique and not tone.
A guitarist’s picking hand can only influence the loudness of a note by how much attack they implement, with pick, fingers (or sixpenny piece). This is technique not tone.
Tone is solely the domain of what equipment you use, the guitar, the amp, the cables, the strings, the pickups and you will not sound like Gary Moore, BB King, Dave Gilmour or whoever, until;

a) You own their identical rig
b) You play in a 100% identical style

This post is not intended to be inflammatory or provocative. I neither have any intention of shouting to the rest of the forum in upper case that Lee is unable to admit his mistakes by opening a thread with that in the title. I accept you know a lot about your subject Lee, but we all make mistakes and all you have succeeded in doing is confusing people, extremely evident by the above posts.
You are indeed the literary equivalent of Spinal Tap, someone posts something and you must take things not to ‘one louder’, but ‘one better’. It is the way you are, the way you operate, we are all different and I accept that. However this environment is very useful for those who want to increase their knowledge, have an interesting debate or simply shoot the breeze, BUT the moment you try covering a mistake that everyone can clearly see is incorrect, your credibility plummets.

Try gaining some humility, you will be a lot better person for it.

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