(Lefty) Les Pauls but with out the weight .......

Greetings,

I'm looking for a Left Handed guitar that has the neck profile of a Les Paul but with out the weight. I've had two rather nice Gibson's (One got nicked the other got sold) and they are just too heavy.

I've got a Silver Series Squier Strat which is about the right weight and sits just right with the strap attached to the neck back-plate rather than the usual uper horn... BUT... the fingerboard is too curved for me!! I'm nor sure of the exact difference between Strats and Les pauls but I'm lead to believe that the strat fingerboard radius is 14 inches and the Les Paul is 16 inches, please correct me if that's wrong.

So any information will just go down a storm!!

Thanks All

Dave

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If you like the Les Pauls some of the 70's customs were lighter, they used 'hollow' chambers to cut down on the weight, all LP's dont weigh the same, but of course if you want a guitar that realy rocks, with the same neck profile as a les paul, but much lighter and better fret access then there is only 1 guitar... The SG standard. :twisted:

Dave, IIRC, the fingerboard radius of a modern Strat is 9.5" to 10" but the early vintages were a warperific 7.25". Unless it's a "50s reissue", I think your Silver Series (again, IIRC, these were the remaining Japanese Squiers sold while production shifted to Korea in 1990) is a 9.5". The Gibson LP is, I'm fairly sure, 14". A 16" radius is ultra-flat, 5-string bass territory.

A couple of suggestions. If you like the Squier and are not fussed with Gibby humbuckers and all that, consider bolting on a Strat - style neck with a 14" radius. You might not find one on Fleeb, but there are those who will make one for about $150 (unvarnished) or £150 if you're unfortunate enough to be a Brit. Otherwise, apart from the SG Lee mentioned, how about a good LP copy? Even quite affordable ones are set-neck and reasonable facsimiles. The African mahogany often used is less dense (some even might use alder or :( basswood :( , lighter still). Good old Agile/SX (rondomusic.com in the US) leaves loads of money for decent pups (might be bolt-on, can't remember). A smaller name, but well worth considering, is jim-reed-guitars.com - I have their BE5 bass and it's terrific. What I've seen of the LP copy is very good and, I think, Kent Armstrong pups so no immediate need for replacement.

1bassleft wrote:
Dave, IIRC, the fingerboard radius of a modern Strat is 9.5" to 10" but the early vintages were a warperific 7.25". Unless it's a "50s reissue", I think your Silver Series (again, IIRC, these were the remaining Japanese Squiers sold while production shifted to Korea in 1990) is a 9.5". The Gibson LP is, I'm fairly sure, 14". A 16" radius is ultra-flat, 5-string bass territory. [cut]

Thanks for the information. I've had difficulty sorting out this neck radius thing for some time but the smaller radius really doesn't work for me.

I intend to mount a GK2A pickup on whatever I end up with as I'm a fan of the VG8. However, as a result of my searching, I found this device. A self-tuning guitar with hundreds of storable altered tunings. Check it out.. it's mind-blowing. I didn't believe it at first either....

http://www.selftuning.com/transbackup/home/index.htm

(For the record, I'm in central London and have a left-handed Chapman Stick (not played for a while), and often play in Fripp's tuning.)

All the best

Dave

Dave, what worries me is that $3250 price tag. So, you've got to get a guitar, ship it over (might be cheaper to buy one from a US site and get it shipped direct) so that they can install it. Then, it's got to be shipped back to you and customs will slap 17.5% on the cost of the guitar and the autotuner unit. The courier will also slap on a 'handling fee'.

You're looking at a cool $4000 before you even pay for a guitar; and I wouldn't stick this in a genuine Gibson as it'll kill the resale value. Is it worth putting a $4000 bit of electromechanics in a $700 guitar, just so you can go to DADGAD? The GK2A + VG88 is cheaper, non-invasive, transferable and does a lot more than change string tunings. I'm sure the DSP on the Roland isn't as convincing as a real tuning, but blimey - it's a lot of money.

Edit: forgot to mention - very cool to see a lefty Stick player. How long have you had it? Done "Thela Hun Gingeet" yet? :)

1bassleft wrote:
Dave, what worries me is that $3250 price tag.

You're looking at a cool $4000 before you even pay for a guitar; The GK2A + VG88 is cheaper, non-invasive, transferable and does a lot more than change string tunings. I'm sure the DSP on the Roland isn't as convincing as a real tuning, but blimey - it's a lot of money.

Edit: forgot to mention - very cool to see a lefty Stick player. How long have you had it? Done "Thela Hun Gingeet" yet? :)

Well, $4000 equates to around £2000... ish! and that's not even two used Les Pauls at current London prices. However, I agree that it's a lot of money but as someone who uses different tunings I'd still have one. I invented a tuning and wrote a couple of pieces in it and this requires yet another guitar.

Would the authorites spot the fact that the guitar you've just brought back into the country has a funny looking bridge?!!

The VG8 (which I have) can do strange things if you set the tuning too far from the guitar and it has to be on a solid instrument or you get some wierd interference tones... but a fab piece of kit nonetheless. I would use the Auto Tuner AND the VG8 together.

Regarding the Stick, I've had it since 1986. I'm not convinced that "Thela.." is played on the Stick. A lot of people confuse the sound with T Lev's Musicman as they can sound very similar. The Stick has humbucking pickups and, although passive, can sound a bit like a Stingray. However, once you have one of these instruments it's not difficult to work out how T Lev does his things. Among the "tells" are the range and the vibrato. Mr Lev has a vibrato on the bass that he tends not to employ on the Stick.

The real cheat is Elephant Talk where he detunes the top bass string to get the flat 5th and then uses one finger across the top two strings. "Waiting Man" is yet another example of a beautiful yet simple pattern. "Matte Gudesai" (sorry about the spelling) IS played on the Stick, which took me by surprise!

Dave

With one of those auto tuners in hand, a whole new world of Nick Drake tribute bands await. It does look like a great invention, if you get one post up some pics of the guitar with tuner on.

Thinking about it, the riff I had in mind was the opening to "Elephant Talk" (I don't play vinyl much these days), not Thela - and I really did think it was Stick. If I can't play it, I assume it's because I haven't got the kit - not because Levin's better than me :lol: .

The customs thing could be a nightmare. If you send an LP over, US Customs will need convincing it's not being sold but 'repaired'. Then, on its way back, HM's C+E will need convincing it's yours and will still charge duty on the cost of the 'repair'. Unless the tuner people can be convinced to downplay the cost (and most bona-fides dislike being asked to do this) then that's 17.5% on the $3250. I'm afraid they DO notice, especially with a big box. Elsewhere, I advised Lee on how best a trem unit might slip through unnoticed. They still got it.

BTW, I'd very much like Roland's V-bass. Apart from the stick-on-body pup, I already have a Graphtec piezo bridge that can be upgraded to a hex output. A guy I know who's expert on the URB reckons even a fretted 34" makes a reasonable upright simulation through the V-bass. "Stray Cat Strut" time :)

lee_UK wrote:
With one of those auto tuners in hand, a whole new world of Nick Drake tribute bands await. It does look like a great invention, if you get one post up some pics of the guitar with tuner on.

Have to be honest, I'm not familiar with the work of Nick Drake, though I know the name.

I have every intention of getting one of these self-tuning doofers as I love the unusual and the practical. hence my VG8, my Stick and (in the past), my baqgpipes! But I fear it will be a while.

Actually, the bagpipe thing turned me on to celtic music in general and also paved the way for a love of drones. Fripp & Eno being the obvious drone of choice. My time in the performance art ensemble known as The Event Group was stuffed full of drones.

One thing that I've found is that writing music on any instrument with a strange tuning forces you to create new things as you just have to explore what's available rather than run along the rutted road that is your old licks. And, as a pro, I always felt I had to "practice" when on the standard tuning. Breaking up that internal program took a while and, using Fripp's New Standard Tuning, I totally buggered my old technique to the point that I had to turn down work as my fingers no longer went to the right places!

You are right about odd tunings, it turns you on to totaly different melodies, the drummer in our band likes to record his own stuff on his portastudio, but he cant play guitar very well, so he sets up and accoustic guitar tuning every string to D, i picked it up one night and thought what the hell? but after 5 mins you start exploring those notes and start getting some very unusaly sounds, Who remembers Ravi Shankar when he played live at the Monteray pop festival? he spent 20 mins on stage in front of the audience tuning up his sitar!! at the end of the tuning marathon the audience cheered and applauded, they thought that was his set, i bet he wished he had one of those tuning devices, but then he had something better, Karma! 8)

Dave, if you look into "soundslikemusic" thread, you'll see a link to Transformer flogging the system on Fleeb. Of course, it's a righty LP. I've lost count of people with good ideas that I've asked "Will you do a lefty?" and got no reply. Still, must be worth a "ask seller a Q" punt. If they're after custards, now is the time to step forward.

On the 'odd tuning' front; I agree there's a lot of mileage. My band's guitarist had this thing where a lot of strings were just off A#. Fabulous ringing - very sitar-like, and I managed a bassline with a 4-string on normal tuning. Also, at our rehearsal place, a guy called Jaz walked in and started singing Hindi wedding songs. Totally barmy; no recognizable key nor time signature (to us), but I was having loads of fun. As soon as he sung the word "Sade" (as in the "Diamond Life" Sade), I knew a 4th-drop was coming and that was all I needed to know. Guitarist wasn't so keen though, and shooed him out after a coupla weeks. Pity

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