My first post!

youngwasp · Got Rhythm Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 71

I acknowledge your compromised position and the fact you struggle to compile any convincing reply. It is an extremely difficult question to answer and most people in here would be unwilling to tackle it. YOU are the one that came back and asked me to respond, I did, now you duck out, but I understand why. You quoted the figures and ‘facts’, they were challenged and you are unable to back them up. My own personal belief is that you read my response and have no clue how to reply.

Not comfortable losing face, but put this one down to experience.

One final point that I need to clarify. Using effects has made me tighten my technique and definitely broadened my range and ability. Why, how? There is no set we play that doesn’t demand a change of instruments mid-song. We do a 70’s prog rock set with 4 changes from electric to acoustic (during the ELP/Genesis/Yes section), a step on the pedal and I switch from electric to acoustic patch – I simply wouldn’t have time to physically change instruments. If I play any wrong notes, these are instantly highlighted – it is just me, nothing is masked or smothered. This is why I use effects, ease of use, not to hide behind. Jimmy Page used a double-neck specifically to play Stairway for this very reason, both necks were in reach without changing instruments - the same is true for me only I do it another way.

As for being offended, I live on mainland UK not Tracey Island. I control my own internal state not other people and certainly not via the pages of a chatroom.

lee_UK · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:

i dont feel im backing out on anything, i still stand by my 90-10 statement, i still think a lot of the time effects are used to hide sloppy technique, and you realy cant sound like Eric Clapton when you buy his pedal, im just bored with going over the same thing, lets agree to disagree, and you dont suprise me when when you say you do a prog rock set, i bet you pack out the venues with your genesis/yes/ELP set, those records were real foot tappers, and there is nothing like hearing a 50 minute guitar solo (in its context of course).
So i think its time for bed..
(still no offence intended)

youngwasp · Got Rhythm Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 71

What is most strange is that both you and 1bass are prepared to type paragraphs of text but not answer my simple question.

This in itself speaks volumes and EVERYONE here can see that.

lee_UK · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject:

And what you fail to understand is, it's only you me and Bass that are reading this thread, everybody else went home days ago.... did'nt you notice? Hello.. anybody there?? Laughing

1bassleft · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:

Out of respect to Ryan, who started this topic on a completely different thread, I have put up a new topic.

"Bassleft is a big bollock" is ready for continuation of this thing. Here on this thread, we're returning you to pedal trends and opinions...

youngwasp · Got Rhythm Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 71

[quote="lee_UK"]And what you fail to understand is, it's only you me and Bass that are reading this thread, everybody else went home days ago.... did'nt you notice? Hello.. anybody there?? :lol:[/quote]

Exactly 48 hours ago the views held steady at 153, today, now, at the time of writing = 289.

The numbers unfortunately disprove your theory. Sorry.

YOU added a response that plonked the thread firmly back in the public eye, it was all set to simply slide into obscurity, you even asked me to reply - YOU did this, not me.

p.s. Have a go at answering my question instead of beating yourself up all the time.

Farino · Groupie Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 11

What was your question in the first place? I'd also like to take a jab at it but I'm having a little trouble determining what it even was.

youngwasp · Got Rhythm Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 71

[quote="Farino"]What was your question in the first place? I'd also like to take a jab at it but I'm having a little trouble determining what it even was.[/quote]

The question is very clearly laid out in three sections of the thread, which if you cannot find then you will have missed many important points. Lee is obviously very keen to get this all to go away as quickly as possible.

I will copy and paste the question once more, BUT you must understand that you have to have a core grasp of the key elements that have been debated thus before you wade in.
Lee is emphatic that TONE is derived from 9/10ths of what a player does with his/her fingers and only 1/10th has to do with pickups, guitar, amp etc etc. I believe the reverse, TONE is determined 9/10ths what you HOLD in your hands and what it is plugged into. I have asked many times for Lee to detail what he means (see the question below), but he refuses to answer.

As I have said, not reading the complete thead will leave lacking in information though.

The copy and paste;

I have posed a specific question and you have not even had a go at answering it.

List the ACTUAL ELEMENTS of playing that make up TONE (apart from the ones I have already that make up the 10%). Detail exactly what you mean??

lee_UK · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject:

OK lets take this over the Bass's post 'Bassleft1 is a big bollock'
and we will take it bit by bit.

youngwasp · Got Rhythm Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 71

No need.

Without wishing to appear that I am beating you up any further, it simply wouldn’t fair for those that have followed this thread that don’t know any better, to believe that accomplished guitarists wield The Force to evoke incredible tone.

Tone is unquestionably, irrefutably, undeniably, with no doubt whatsoever obtained 9/10th from equipment. There is no magical, mystical way of playing that only BB King can do, or Eric Clapton, or Kirk Hammett, or David Gilmour or anybody else. They move their hands up and down the neck just like everybody else.

This is easily proved for any doubters – the easiest way is via the internet. Go to the search engine of your choice, type ‘Guitar Tone’ and read as much as you dare to be convinced. Can’t be bothered?

Here, I’ve done it for you, taking one at random;

http://www.penmachine.com/musicpages/guitartone.html

THE SOURCE OF TONE

There are 20 points listed. Nineteen of those are equipment related, the last one being;

‘Of course, the way the guitarist plays, including whether with fingers or a pick on the strumming hand, how he or she places and moves fingers on the neck, where……..etc.’

With this in mind – if there were other elements that were player based – these would be listed, they aren’t.

So I apologise Lee, I was wrong. Technique influences tone only one 1/20th. I understand that having your map of the world forcibly reshaped is no fun, but that is the way things are.

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