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GuitarSite.com Guitar News Weekly Edition #125, January 15, 2001 |
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DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION Just noticed your info on web site re checking out a used(?) amp. http://www.guitarsite.com/guitar_FAQ2.htm#AMPBUY I quote your info below. Two very important pieces of information that are misleading (and need clarification) regards tube appearances when operating, are as follow: 1) BLUE GLOW- blue glow is NOT normal when it is within the stucture of the elements. Blue glow within the elements is gas due to vacuum loss and/or element contamination, which is definitely NOT OK-under any circumstances. Blue glow on the inside glass surface is OK. This is fluorescence. 2) Orange glow is a matter of degree and does NOT NECESSARILY indicate a "dangerously under-biased" condition. A lot of tubes are designed to have lightly glowing plates when operating close to max ratings. A positive statement as to whether or not an "orange glow" is always to be avoided can NOT be made. Only experience and knowledge of tube types and operating conditions can help make that determination. A BRIGHT orange glow surely is a bad thing, indicating POSSIBLE under-bias, but ALSO could be a load problem and NOT have an under-bias condition. Just thought you might like to know that I am not just spouting off to run you down. Definitely hope you take this as intended, as it NOT critcism. And for background, I spent 44 years with RCA and GE as a design engineer, all of which were either directly or application-wise related to vacuum tubes-from sub-miniature audio tubes to 1 megawatt klystrons. I also spent 10 years on the national committee regulating tube standardization (JEDEC). I have decided to see what the web has to offer on the subject. I am attaching two published articles from excellent sources, labelled A) and B), but first some elaboration on my original comments: (you can then draw your own conclusions) My observation of the web "experts" on this subject seem to fall into three classes: 1) Real experts 2) Self-proclaimed "experts" 3) Self-proclaimed "experts" which copy from others, usually with no credits. The long and short of it (by my judgment), no matter what anyone says, blue glow within the interelectrode stucture of a non-gas filled receiving/audio tube should be interpreted as a tube needing replacing. Granted, the amount of glow is a relative indicator of "how bad is bad", but I would not consider it normal. There are "experts" on the web proclaiming that a tube with blue glow within the elements indicates a really "tight" tube (high vacuum). I suppose this is a case of a little knowledge being dangerous, for just the OPPOSITE is true. A tight tube has no gas to ionize in the first place. A glow on the GLASS, or for example, on a mica spacer might very well be construed as being a healthy tube (vacuum-wise). Also a tube with a VERY slight amount of inter-electrode glow might work just fine-for a while at least. A) Blue Glow -- WHAT CAUSES IT? (by Svetlana)
Glass tubes have visible glow inside them. Most audio types use
oxide-coated cathodes, which glow a cheery warm
orange color. And thoriated-filament tubes, such as the SV811 and SV572
triodes, show both a white-hot glow from
their filaments and (in some amplifiers) a slight orange glow from their
plates. All of these are normal effects. Some
newcomers to the tube-audio world have also noticed that some of their
tubes emit a bluish-colored glow. There are
TWO causes for this glow in audio power tubes; one of them is normal and
harmless, the other occurs only in a bad
audio tube.
1) Most Svetlana glass power tubes show FLUORESCENCE GLOW. This is a very
deep blue color. It can
appear wherever the electrons from the cathode can strike a solid object.
It is caused by minor impurities, such
as cobalt, in the object. The fast-moving electrons strike the impurity
molecules, excite them, and produce
photons of light of a characteristic color. This is usually observed on the
interior of the plate, on the surface of
the mica spacers, or on the inside of the glass envelope.
B) "RADIOTRONICS" Technical Bulletin No. 39 - 24 February 1936
FLUORESCENCE and BLUE GLOW info submitted by Alan, a GNW reader The original article in question is below, and on GuitarSite at: http://www.guitarsite.com/guitar_FAQ2.htm#AMPBUY WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN BUYING AN AMP First, obviously, check the speaker. Give the cone a gentle poke to make sure it's firm and not deteriorating. Turn the amp on and check to make sure there's no orange plate glow on the power tubes (blue glow is OK). Don't confuse this with the normal orange glow of the tube's heater filament. Orange glow indicates that the tubes are dangerously underbiased--this isn't necessarily a failure, but would have to be addressed right away, as it might burn a tube or transformer quickly. Pull all the tubes and look at the tube sockets to see if any of them look cracked or burned. You probably won't be able to do this, but it won't hurt to ask the seller if he'll pull the chassis and let you have a look around inside. The most obvious thing to check for is burned or cracked resistors. Again, this wouldn't necessarily indicate a problem with the amp, but rather that the components are simply worn out. All about Amps... http://www.guitarsite.com/amps.htm |
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