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March 3, 2006 at 12:51 am #22959MichaelParticipant
Why is it that some people think I’m crazy because I think Angie is their best? Rather, what makes so many people dislike it?
Apart from Wild Horses – the lyrics can hardly be beat. Very true I think.
/Edited to add some reasoning/
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April 28, 2006 at 10:14 am #68081HoosierParticipant
so many people don’t understand just how good Keith is.
I also like One Hit To The Body and Harlem Shuffle off of the Dirty Works album quite a bit. -
April 28, 2006 at 7:01 am #68043lee_UKParticipant
Most people have quoted the 68-72 era for their fav songs, Keith actualy had a custom 5 string guitar made for him, i have a book somewhere with the pullout 1/2 scale drawing of it.
Story goes that in the recording of Exile on Main St, which was recorded in Keiths French mansion while the Stones were in ‘Tax Exile’, Keith had all his Guitars stolen in transit, a travelling luthier visited Keith and got talking about guitars and Keith gave him the job of finding and restocking his collection, which he did to Keith’s approval. He then sold keith on the idea of a custom made 5 string, which he made for him.
Ive never seen a picture of him playing it, so i dont suppose it was that great a hit.
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April 25, 2006 at 3:17 pm #68078MoriondorParticipant
I love “Brown Sugar” and “Honkey Tonk Woman” They are just bloody good tracks!
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April 25, 2006 at 11:00 am #68042HoosierParticipant
[quote=”Michael”]Why is it that some people think I’m crazy because I think Angie is their best? Rather, what makes so many people dislike it?
Apart from Wild Horses – the lyrics can hardly be beat. Very true I think.
/Edited to add some reasoning/[/quote]
Can’t you hear me knocking,Dancing with mr D,Heartbreaker,You Can’t always get what you want,Angie,Bitch,all come to mind. -
April 5, 2006 at 5:06 am #68037glwParticipant
I was always taught that the “top” E string was the highest string (i.e. the thinnest, and the “bottom” E was the lowest (thickest) string.
I always get confused when people talk about standard tuning being EADGBE because I always think of it as being EBGDAE. When I started playing guitar as an 11-year old taking classical guitar lessons this was the way we were taught. It’s the rock world that tips everything on it’s head.
Despite all that it still makes sense to me that “top” means high in pitch and “bottom” means “low” in pitch. Surely you can’t dispute that?
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April 5, 2006 at 12:32 am #68054USGoldParticipant
Sorry dude-I’m a yank I think we both said the same thing–my impression is that it is the thick E not the higher octave one
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April 4, 2006 at 10:32 pm #68069glwParticipant
Really? I always thought it must have been the low E that was missing.
Blimey!
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April 4, 2006 at 10:07 pm #68052USGoldParticipant
Said that He uses open G with the top (E) string removed. 🙄
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April 4, 2006 at 9:02 pm #68038glwParticipant
Lee – what is Keith’s 5-string tuning? I’ve gotta try that one of these days.
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April 4, 2006 at 8:51 pm #68041USGoldParticipant
That the Stones would do a retrospective album of just the “blues” songs they have recorded in their careers—that I would rush out to buy.
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April 3, 2006 at 11:35 pm #68044USGoldParticipant
Stones riff I have even partly down yet is “start me up”–sounds pretty cool-especially with the overdrive on my amp
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April 1, 2006 at 7:10 am #68083lee_UKParticipant
Most people tend to like the Stones around the Sticky Fingers period, I dont think they made a duff record til the late 70’s, thats a hell of a good run, but the last 2 records they have done have actualy been very good.
Has anyone heard ‘A bigger bang’?? its the best record ive heard from the Stones in a very long time. -
March 30, 2006 at 11:01 pm #68085USGoldParticipant
Liked the bluesy sounds early to mid periods- havent’t heard anybody mention “get off of my cloud”, “paint it black”, or the early High Tides and Green Grass.
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March 11, 2006 at 3:38 am #68074TimParticipant
[quote=”lee_UK”] and how you can call that twisted Frenchmans attempt at guitar a version of ‘Sway’ beats me..[/quote]
You have to play one then the other, the Widdle over strummy bit from about 2mins in to the end, trust me…
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March 10, 2006 at 11:25 pm #680861bassleftParticipant
But then, I ought to start “Best White Stripes Song” thread. I can play Seven Nation Army just about 😆
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March 10, 2006 at 11:18 pm #680491bassleftParticipant
I’ve just played it now, and I thought of “Can’t Always Get What You Want” too. Not immediately, but I thought of it. I had to put Gauloise in the bong and a good splash of cognac in the Carte Noir, but then I started to think that might be the song 🙂
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March 10, 2006 at 9:50 pm #68050lee_UKParticipant
Did you know….. Mick Taylor actualy wrote ‘Sway’ but was never credited for it, Jagger did the lyric, but Micky T wrote the song….
Not a lot of people know that, and how you can call that twisted Frenchmans attempt at guitar a version of ‘Sway’ beats me.. -
March 9, 2006 at 7:19 am #680721bassleftParticipant
Squale, you’re very welcome here. I like your posts; they’re fun to read. Don’t worry too much about Lee; few people apart from himself are allowed to play guitar on Stones songs, and one of them’s dead 🙂
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March 8, 2006 at 2:46 am #68061TimParticipant
No it’s not, sorry, it’s Sway, it just came on my playlist…thats what he’s playing no doubt about it. (the second half)
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March 8, 2006 at 2:27 am #68048TimParticipant
Dead Flowers, easy.
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March 7, 2006 at 11:23 pm #68060squale 2Participant
[quote=”Michael”]Wrap alfoil around your head and rub butter on your chest. It’s what I do to stop your avatars reading my mind. Especially your twisted spirit.[/quote]
see that squale pokes the discussion, but I do not know if you approve the step, I know that my misadventure did not plait you at all, that I included/understood well, but it seems to me also that you have a spirit higher than the mien, well it is the life, it is necessary to know to listen worse than oneself, I surely do not have your intelligence, but, I will try to raise me on your level (if I arrive there), I hope that on your site, it ya has a place for a poor guy like me, in any case I persiter will come you to tickle to come from other guy like me, to see whether one can try to include oneself/understand. A++ 😈
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March 7, 2006 at 9:13 am #680631bassleftParticipant
Actually, I’m looking forward to Lee encrusting himself serious in low register. I’ll vote for that.
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March 7, 2006 at 6:58 am #68059MichaelParticipant
Wrap alfoil around your head and rub butter on your chest. It’s what I do to stop your avatars reading my mind. Especially your twisted spirit.
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March 7, 2006 at 6:46 am #68073lee_UKParticipant
Mike, his avatar keeps looking at me 😥
Seriously, which Stones song is it? i cant make it out, and i would like to know.
Thanks
Lee.
Sorry if i dont sound constructive.
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March 7, 2006 at 6:46 am #68051MichaelParticipant
I agree Squale. Lee is obviously so in love with the Stones it has faded his judgement. He is very sour and slightly twisted in the spirit region. That’s right eh Lee? 😛
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March 7, 2006 at 6:41 am #68079squale 2Participant
[quote=”lee_UK”]I HATE Emotional Rescue, that whole LP was a right stinker, there was a decade when Keef and Mick were not speaking to eachother, and it resulted in a whole load of drivel, Rescue being one of them.
Over the past 5 years things have improved between the Glimmer twins and it shows in the CD’s they are recording.
A Bigger Bang, is a great record, they really are on top form again.But have a listen to squale 2’s link to his own recorded MP3 file and try and guess the stones song.
I sure cant.
Could be anything.[/quote]At least, a thing is sour, it is that my post of Mp3 of shit did not leave indiferrent, and it was essence, I find, that you nevertheless have a slightly twisted spirit, but you do not inquitez, I will not leave, the business, I will encrust yourselves serious with low register And thank you for your criticisms constructive. 😛
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March 7, 2006 at 6:13 am #68057MichaelParticipant
That was my guess. Thw two combined into a double whammy of attitude.
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March 6, 2006 at 9:58 pm #68064lee_UKParticipant
I HATE Emotional Rescue, that whole LP was a right stinker, there was a decade when Keef and Mick were not speaking to eachother, and it resulted in a whole load of drivel, Rescue being one of them.
Over the past 5 years things have improved between the Glimmer twins and it shows in the CD’s they are recording.
A Bigger Bang, is a great record, they really are on top form again.But have a listen to squale 2’s link to his own recorded MP3 file and try and guess the stones song.
I sure cant.
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March 6, 2006 at 7:28 am #68039MichaelParticipant
Honky Tonk Women and Emotional Rescue?
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March 6, 2006 at 7:19 am #68062lee_UKParticipant
[quote=”squale 2″].[/quote]
Angie, and honty honk , and –>> http://d55.yousendit.com/F/2KT3V1F35CXR10MVZVI28FW038/stone_New.mp3 i playing because i don’y know the name ..[/quote]
first one to guess that tune wins a special prize.
Ive been playing Stones and listening to them for 30 odd years and i cant make it out.
Do you have 2 guitars playing 2 different tunes?
sounds like im standing inbetween 2 music stands at the ‘Mad about guitars’ yearly event at the NEC.
kind of sounds a bit like ‘Cant always get what you want’ but only a tiny bit.
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March 6, 2006 at 6:06 am #680451bassleftParticipant
Don’t misunderstand me, please people. “Satisfaction” is a great song but the guitar riff is the hook (and I agree that the lyrics spoke to a lot of young blokes at the time). Mike (Blanche) I certainly didn’t intend to imply that I knew something you didn’t. Apols if came across like that.
No, what I meant was that “Satisfaction” fails the “ringtone” test on the vocal melody. Take a monophone like my old Nokia and, using the composer (worst ‘instrument’ I’ve ever written music on) feed in the vocal line. Boring, isn’t it? Not quite as bad as Kaiser Chief’s “Oh my God!” but still boring. That’s the reason why I’d hesitate to call it “Best Song”, even though I’m like everyone else and do that head+neck movement as soon as the riff comes out of the speakers 🙂
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March 6, 2006 at 4:52 am #68065squale 2Participant
[quote=”lee_UK”][quote=”Michael”]Why is it that some people think I’m crazy because I think Angie is their best? Rather, what makes so many people dislike it?
Apart from Wild Horses – the lyrics can hardly be beat. Very true I think.
/Edited to add some reasoning/[/quote]
Angie is a great song Mike, nothing wrong with it.
Wild horses like you say is better, did you know it was recorded with 4 guitars? the main opening guitar is tuned to ‘Nashville tuning’ , which i think all the strings were tuned up an octave!! and then he used a capo on the 10th fret.
Nice sound, another interesting sound is from ‘Street fighting man’ , the opening riff was recorded by using a steel string (i think a hummingbird) by keith, he recorded it into a tape machine, then played it back through a mic in a studio but pushed the volume to the top so it overdrove the output sound.Sorry to bore you all to tears but the stones are my passion, my first rememberd LP was ‘It’s only Rock’n’Roll’ .[/quote]
Angie, and honty honk , and –>> http://d55.yousendit.com/F/2KT3V1F35CXR10MVZVI28FW038/stone_New.mp3 i playing because i don’y know the name ..
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March 6, 2006 at 3:43 am #68066lee_UKParticipant
[quote=”Michael”]Why is it that some people think I’m crazy because I think Angie is their best? Rather, what makes so many people dislike it?
Apart from Wild Horses – the lyrics can hardly be beat. Very true I think.
/Edited to add some reasoning/[/quote]
Angie is a great song Mike, nothing wrong with it.
Wild horses like you say is better, did you know it was recorded with 4 guitars? the main opening guitar is tuned to ‘Nashville tuning’ , which i think all the strings were tuned up an octave!! and then he used a capo on the 10th fret.
Nice sound, another interesting sound is from ‘Street fighting man’ , the opening riff was recorded by using a steel string (i think a hummingbird) by keith, he recorded it into a tape machine, then played it back through a mic in a studio but pushed the volume to the top so it overdrove the output sound.Sorry to bore you all to tears but the stones are my passion, my first rememberd LP was ‘It’s only Rock’n’Roll’ .
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March 6, 2006 at 3:35 am #68056lee_UKParticipant
[quote=”1bassleft”]
Back to the Stones, I see what Mike Blanche is saying but, melodically, “Satisfaction” is a great riff wrapped in a rubbish, limited vocal melody. “Gimme Shelter” is probably the most interesting song they’ve done.[/quote]
Rubbish?? Satisfaction?? umm, it’s not my favourite stones tune, a three note riff thats been radio played to death, but it is a great song, lyrically its right up there, singing about that subject in 1965 was a first, it had only been hinted at in songs, but the stones were the first to take it to number 1 in US and UK.
Melodicaly its not the greatest i agree, but its not rubbish.
I also think that people forget just how many great songs they recorded,
the 40 licks CD just scratches the surface.
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March 5, 2006 at 9:13 pm #68071mrblancheMember
No doubt what you say is true about Satisfaction. A great riff carried “Smoke On the Water” to popularity, and I can teach that riff to a 9-year-old kid in less than a minute.
Which, I think, is what I said. Something about a song will “catch” you, and that’s that.
Now, we could discuss great musical writing, great lyrics, etc., but the songs that would demonstrate those skills would rarely be “great songs.”
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March 5, 2006 at 9:16 am #680471bassleftParticipant
Well, that’s a thread-downer, Lee. Altamont reminds me of Charlie Watkins (WEM)’s experience. Once people started climbing over the fence and waggling knives to assert the “free festival” idea; he’d had enough. Look at Glastonbury now; full of tent-sifting gobshites stretching PJ Proudhon’s “Property is Theft” philosophy to suit their own slimey ends.
Back to the Stones, I see what Mike Blanche is saying but, melodically, “Satisfaction” is a great riff wrapped in a rubbish, limited vocal melody. “Gimme Shelter” is probably the most interesting song they’ve done.
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March 5, 2006 at 5:54 am #68053lee_UKParticipant
[quote=”glw”]Blimey! My Stones knowledge is rubbish, innit, guv?[/quote]
If you like that 68-69 stones style get yourself a copy of Ya ya’s, the guitar work on that is stunning.
That was recorded i think over 2 nights at madison sq garden, and it
was the stones at their blues peak.
Of course on that tour was the Altamont speedway free gig, there was a rare and brilliant documentry made called ‘Gimme Shelter’ and shows the
Altamont gig and fatal stabbing of an audience member.End of the hippy love era and the start of a Stones blues revival fronted by Mick Taylor.
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March 5, 2006 at 5:40 am #68055glwParticipant
Blimey! My Stones knowledge is rubbish, innit, guv?
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March 5, 2006 at 12:46 am #68082mrblancheMember
As is so often the case, the market has spoken on this issue, and the “best” (which means the most purchased and played) Stones song is “Satisfaction.”
As any musician knows, a song can be perfect, but sell not at all. Something in a song captures the imagination of the public, and that’s what causes it to be popular. If it were possible to analyze and repeat that “capture,” all songs would be equally good, equally popular, and equally financially succesful.
“Sympathy for the Devil” runs a close second. Have you heard the “Angie” parody, entitled “Angie…oplasty?”
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March 4, 2006 at 7:26 am #68067lee_UKParticipant
[quote=”glw”]My faves are “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”, “Sympathy For The Devil” and “Gimme Shelter”. Must’ve liked that Mick Taylor period.[/quote]
Sympathy for the devil was a 68′ release, Jones was well and truley still in the band at that time, Remember the film released about the making of that song?? ive seen it a few times its very good.
It was on the Beggars Banquet LP.The other 2 i beleive are neither Jones nor Taylor, Jones had been sacked and most of the recording of Let it Bleed was complete by the time Taylor joined, i think he had an involvement in a couple of sessions but not those 2 tracks.
Most of the guitar work you hear on Beggars Banquet and Let it Bleed was all done by Keef.
Jones was in a drug induced stupor during most of those sessions.
The first proper recording that Taylor played on was ‘Get yer ya ya’s out’ (see my Avatar) released in 1970 but recorded on the ill fated 69′ tour of US,
and that is my Fav all time Stones LP, (i have 2 Vinyl copies – 1st one wore out, and also 2 CD’s, one original and one remastered) i agree, they were a better band with Taylor, but more creative with Jones, but i go for the Taylor period,
after all he was on my 2nd fav of all time, Exile on Main st.
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March 3, 2006 at 7:05 pm #68040glwParticipant
My faves are “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”, “Sympathy For The Devil” and “Gimme Shelter”. Must’ve liked that Mick Taylor period.
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