Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

Posted by Paul on Sun, 12/19/04 - 14:50:58.

I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.



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Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.

Did you ever change strings and accidentally put the bridge on backwards? Screws to the front, facing tuners is correct.

It sounds as if you have intonation problems. If your bridge is positioned allright, then the saddles themselves, on which the strings rest, may have to be moved backwards or forwards to make fretted notes sound in tune.

Another possibility, if the nut or string guide at the end of the fretboard near the headstock is too high (replaced or anything?) it is usually the nearest chords that sound out of tune. Because a string is abruptly shortened, or sharpened when you hold your fingers down to form the chord.

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

Big thanks for all advice. I've restrung, used heavier gauge strings (including a wound G string) and now I know how to adjust the intonation. The guitar sounds a million times better. It has been an education. Thanks guys.

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: Big thanks for all advice. I've restrung, used heavier gauge strings (including a wound G string) and now I know how to adjust the intonation. The guitar sounds a million times better. It has been an education. Thanks guys.

We're all happy to hear of your positive tuning results. That's what it's all about. If ALL that had not remedied it, there's just one obscure thing that didn't get mentioned along the line. Something we do for Jazz & Blues players with similar stop tail guitars, who bend or vibrato alot with their fingers - mainly on ES-335 type guitars. It gets the the job done when all else fails. We solder the bottom of the string where it wraps around the ball-end, called "tinning the string", prior to installing it. Only takes a little "tin" to stabilize any slipping within the structure of the string itself. It's in an invisible spot where most people don't think there could be trouble, but it can happen with really aggressive left hand (fingering) playing styles.

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.

Another perspective, especially if only the G string is out, already pre-stretched, and you have no complaints with the others. The odd tuner, although it is rare, might have some "backlash". That means, the tuner could slip back just a bit. Always tune up from a flat note into pitch. Also, avoid tuning down, or dropping pitch while tuning guitar. Following this rule might help.

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.

Great advice blew me away. BUT question: do you wrap your G string at least 4 to 6 winds around the tuning post?. It's excessive, but you don't want it to slip. That would be a cheap fix. What guage string is it? Have you upsized and is it riding up or getting caught in the string slot? You could try a little lead (graphite) there from a pencil point, though there is no tremolo - tuning problem only. Also, you didn't say if you play anything besides chords, or bend alot. Nevertheless, some players change to a wound G, if available instead of plain. Maybe it would be more stable for you??? See for yourself if other's advice hasn't cured the trouble. Good job everyone, good luck to you too.

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: : I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.

: Great advice blew me away. BUT question: do you wrap your G string at least 4 to 6 winds around the tuning post?. It's excessive, but you don't want it to slip. That would be a cheap fix. What guage string is it? Have you upsized and is it riding up or getting caught in the string slot? You could try a little lead (graphite) there from a pencil point, though there is no tremolo - tuning problem only. Also, you didn't say if you play anything besides chords, or bend alot. Nevertheless, some players change to a wound G, if available instead of plain. Maybe it would be more stable for you??? See for yourself if other's advice hasn't cured the trouble. Good job everyone, good luck to you too.

Thanks for the advice everyone, I hadn't thought of wrapping the string, will try that.

My current strings are Gibson brite wires, ultra light gauge, the G string is 16. Is it worth trying a heavier gauge?

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: : : I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.

: : Great advice blew me away. BUT question: do you wrap your G string at least 4 to 6 winds around the tuning post?. It's excessive, but you don't want it to slip. That would be a cheap fix. What guage string is it? Have you upsized and is it riding up or getting caught in the string slot? You could try a little lead (graphite) there from a pencil point, though there is no tremolo - tuning problem only. Also, you didn't say if you play anything besides chords, or bend alot. Nevertheless, some players change to a wound G, if available instead of plain. Maybe it would be more stable for you??? See for yourself if other's advice hasn't cured the trouble. Good job everyone, good luck to you too.

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: Thanks for the advice everyone, I hadn't thought of wrapping the string, will try that.

: My current strings are Gibson brite wires, ultra light gauge, the G string is 16. Is it worth trying a heavier gauge?

Good to know what strings u have. I like either .016 or .017 so there's no diff. If you had a much heavier string, it could get caught in the nut slot or ride up high, and cause tuning nightmares. Maybe the wrapping more turns will fix.

Re: Epiphone Les Paul - Tuning problems

: I've had an Epiphone Les Paul standard from new for 18 months now. I can't get it in tune or stay in tune properly either by ear or by tuner, I've tried 2 tuners. The problem seems to be the G string (no joke intended!). Once tuned, playing a D, G or A chords, the G string sounds horribly out, its made worse with any distortion. I'm fairly new to guitars so I'm wary about fiddling with truss bars etc. Any help would be most appreciated.

another thing that might help is if you use so "fast fret" it helps the sound of your guitar and helps you play, and keeps it in better tuning... it will probably be in any local guitar store...

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