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    • #74706
      1bassleft
      Participant

      😯 , you’re right about the bridge. I thought it was some brass thing but no. Someone took off whatever saddle assembly was there and put an acoustic guitar-type rosewood bridge onto the old backplate. Yikes! Slight intonation problem. I know that the old Kays had an action like an egg-slicer but that’s an extreme makeover. It’s so daft, I really ought to send the seller a “this really is a pile of poo” message.

    • #74732
      lee_UK
      Participant

      Well spotted bass, 6 in a line tuner, definatly a Kay import.
      Marker pen fender logo means its a top quality fake. 😯
      Zero fret too and a good blurred photo of what looks like a wooden bridge, but surely not.

    • #74705
      1bassleft
      Participant

      Haha, this could’ve gone in “optimistic eBayers” thread but, really, it would fit better in “dumbass pawn shop dreamers”. I recognize the neck wood (I have a horrible feeling it’s a type of birch) that imports like Kay used in the 70s. Ghastly, but that marker pen makes the seller think it could be a Fender 🙄

      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FENDER-SUNBURST-GUITAR-EARLY-ONE-I-THINK-U-TELL-ME_W0QQitemZ110026977721QQihZ001QQcategoryZ118989QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      #http://i4.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/2e/93/22_12.JPG

    • #74704
      1bassleft
      Participant

      Yes, Lee. Fender Japan made Mustang guitar and bass RIs until quite recently. IIRC, they retailed around £550 and still fetch around that (well regarded, but a relatively small market). The most popular are the “competition” ones. You won’t get a USA competition for that money, but a later 70s Mustang in boring old sunburst etc is a possible.

      I can’t comment on how well you can whammy with them, because I’ve never owned the guitar version. It’s not the usual Fender “springs in the rear rout” type but a bendy tailpiece so it may hold it better – I don’t know.

    • #74712
      lee_UK
      Participant

      The LP custom didnt go cheap, it got a very good price.

      The Mustang does look very nice with the stripes, and like you say in Blue/White it does look like the Ford GT.
      Were there early Fender Jap reissues? if so how good were they?
      And how good is that bridge at holding it’s tuning?
      I play my LP Standard for a gig, we are on stage for over 2 hrs, i play loads of note bending solo’s and i honestly dont have to tune it during the night. Same goes for my SG, my co-guitarist Sean is always twiddling the pegs on his Tele 72′ custom reissue.

    • #74745
      1bassleft
      Participant

      I did notice, but you did as much as you could. In the end, it’s nigh on impossible to stop people from thinking they’re going to get a LP for way-below-book price and losing all sense.

      Back to the Mustang, the botchjob does look quite cool (nice choice of colour) but I think it may not even intonate properly. A genuine Mustang (preferably not the knackered one I put up with the worst fingerboard I’ve ever seen) is a very nice guitar.

      The 24″ scale (very early ones were 22.5″ I think) is handy for the kids. The Mustang was meant to be a student electric but it was built to the same highish standards that Fender employed for the contemporaneous Strats. Mus and Strat pups are identical (that’s why so many got stripped. Until recently, you’d get far more money for a pair of ’66 dated pups, ’66 coded vol/tone pots, a ’66 serial neckplate etc than for the guitar itself). The body is a smaller strat-like shape with good access. The later “competition” models look very nice with the stripes (I think they were meant to look like the Ford GT40 competition car) and my favourite is the blue/white stripes. The orange/red stripes looks hideous.

      A dive on the whammy isn’t great for tuning but that’s Fender all over, right? I’d’ve loved to get one for my 8y.o. but good ones are comfortably over $1100 now.

    • #126767
      lee_UK
      Participant

      It just gets darker and darker doesnt it.
      I did message and e-mail everyone on that bidding list to warn them of a ‘potential’ scam.
      If you notice on the bid list, there were expierienced guitar buyers/sellers bidding on it.

    • #74636
      mrblanche
      Member

      The education on the Gibson was great. Thanks!

      Now…have you noticed the seller of the Gibson has no feedback as a seller?

    • #74674
      lee_UK
      Participant

      The reverse headstock should have given it away, but once you posted up the original 70’s the differences were unmissable.
      But having said all that, it does look like a nice guitar, i like the green and the upside down neck, one thing that is nice about Mustangs is the fret access up the neck, very Strat like. Do they hold their tune? the bridge looks more fragile than Ellen Macarthur in a force 9.
      But you cant beat the stripes for the cool factor, just a pity that your arm covers most of it when you are playing it.

    • #74634
      1bassleft
      Participant

      Where to start on this “Mustang”

      #http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/07/de/c4_1.JPG:?: 😕

      Well, it isn’t what he says it is, a 1970s Mustang guitar; this is a beat-up, genuine example:

      #http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/34/08/99_12.JPG

      Maybe the body once was (Mustangs are often stripped for their parts and bodies float like jetsam on ebay for $100 or less). Humbuckers at the bridge were only ever put into the Japanese re-issues for the Cobain wannabes so this is either a RI or a hacker. The stop-tail, whammy and saddles unit has gone, replaced by Gawd-knows-what. The string-thru body is somebody’s idea. At least it looks like the bridge has been chosen and sited with a mind to the fact that a DEFINITELY NOT Mustang neck has been fitted.

      The Mustang has a 24″ scale and was never given a reverse-headstock, even as a RI. This is, I’d bet a 25.5″ scale neck and almost certainly not even Fender. The logo colour is all wrong, the word “Mustang” has no “speed marks”. The tuners and string guides aren’t right. Look at the obvious rub-down applied to the headstock so that the ink-jet transfer could be slid on. Maybe those pups are nice aftermarket Specials but, given the rest of the botchup, I doubt it. They could easily be from an Indian Sunn with nice plastic covers from guitarpartsresource.

      Of course, there’s no “F” neckplate with a serial number (another valuable part that’ll have been sold off). Even the knobs are wrong and, underneath, the pots will not have 70s codes. The control plate is cheap to get.

      Quite rightly, someone has now asked if it is original and (even more percipient) playable. The reply that it is playable and “I don’t know, it’s the same as how I got it” means he’s a fool or a liar. Frankly, I wouldn’t touch this turkey even for the 120 euros it’s currently at.

    • #74654
      BopsAlot
      Participant

      Alas, the vintage guitar market has been pretty much ruined. There are so many bad fakes out there you can only wonder how many really really good fakes there are. Probably more than we imagine. 😥

      That new “Gibson” is a despicable thing to do to someone. That story sounds so contrived that I wouldn’t have touched it no matter what it looked like.

    • #74689
      lee_UK
      Participant

      [quote=”1bassleft”]Have you noticed, also, that the “Gibson” logo is too thick? Like he scanned it then accidentally clicked on “bold”…

      Now, at the risk of more sniggering from Lee, I do keep an eye out for Fender Mustangs (for the 1000th time, Lee, the real ones – not the Sunn Mustang “by Fender”). Anyhoo, the very sharp eyed may notice tiny discrepancies from the usual 70s Mustang with this German eBay example:

      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/E-Gitarre-Fender-Mustang_W0QQitemZ220021725332QQihZ012QQcategoryZ46647QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      For the record, our freund states only that it has a few marks in the lacquer :lol:[/quote]

      Whats the problem with the Fender bass?

    • #74638
      glw
      Participant

      I’ve gotta admit, I quite like the look of that “Mustang”. It’s obviously a custom job. I wonder if they are original Fender parts?

    • #126768
      1bassleft
      Participant

      Have you noticed, also, that the “Gibson” logo is too thick? Like he scanned it then accidentally clicked on “bold”…

      Now, at the risk of more sniggering from Lee, I do keep an eye out for Fender Mustangs (for the 1000th time, Lee, the real ones – not the Sunn Mustang “by Fender”). Anyhoo, the very sharp eyed may notice tiny discrepancies from the usual 70s Mustang with this German eBay example:

      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/E-Gitarre-Fender-Mustang_W0QQitemZ220021725332QQihZ012QQcategoryZ46647QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      For the record, our freund states only that it has a few marks in the lacquer 😆

    • #74681
      Gordy Smiff
      Participant

      Good point. Hadn’t thought of that scenario, with a bit more practice I reckon he could turn out some fairly decent knock-offs.

    • #126766
      lee_UK
      Participant

      Well i think it’s the guy selling it, i think he took a ‘Vantage’ LP copy into his shed, reved up the Router and did a Norm Abram on it, maybe a respray aferwards, this looks like a conversion rather than a production line out of hours run.

    • #74645
      Gordy Smiff
      Participant

      I am by no means a Gibson “afficianado”, but by paying attention to what other people have posted, especially shots of official Gibson products versus the ebay product, the differences are glaringly obvious.
      In truth, it would be all too easy to be taken in by this fake, and by that I mean, who on earth would bother to do something like that? It’s not the sort of thing you come across on a daily basis. Clever people them Chinese, give it a year or so, and telling the difference will become even more difficult.

    • #74660
      lee_UK
      Participant

      At last! someone has seen the light, praise the Lord! i thought it was only myself and Mike that could see the dodgyness of this guitar.
      You can see the mistakes all over it, I did point out the wonky inlay on the headstock and also the fact that ‘Gibson’ inlay is set too high on the headstock.

    • #126765
      Gordy Smiff
      Participant

      Looked at this thing a few times, and what struck me the most, was the “split diamond” on the headstock, did somebody throw it at the guitar and hope it would land in the right place?

    • #74692
      1bassleft
      Participant

      Oh dear – someone paid $1600 for it. The seller’s feedback is alright (albeit mostly from body-piercing tatooey types) but I suspect this guy bought a doggy, realized it, and listed it ASAP.

    • #126764
      Michael
      Participant

      I see what you mean GLW, likewise Lee.

      Good work spotting it on the bay Lee. Surely this thread would be enough proof for bidders.

    • #74666
      lee_UK
      Participant

      #http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2623/b63em4.jpg#http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1165/headstockrealze6.jpg

      Look at the moustache at the top of the headstock? wrong? look at the Cusom inlay, is it wonky and off line on the one on the left? and too small?this is supposed to be a new 2006 model? the inlay ‘Gibson’ is in the wrong place, too high, i havent started on the body, it has a single ply scratchplate, should be a black white black sandwich,
      Those who are happy to walk away with the one on the left. walk away with your heads hung in shame. 😥

    • #74695
      glw
      Participant

      Also on the above photos, note the postition of the control knobs in relation to the stop tailpiece.

    • #74685
      Michael
      Participant
    • #74696
      lee_UK
      Participant

      It’s not right, it’s a fake, look at the body shape of the thing, look at the closeup of the front of the headstock? the moustache is uneven, look at the MOP inlay, looks like it’s done by mr magoo.
      Others have noticed, i hate people like this, passing off crap as genuine articles. I e-mailed everyone on the bid list and told them to watch out.
      i also reported it to ebay.
      Take a second look, it’s definatly amatuer fake.

    • #74656
      mrblanche
      Member

      Maybe I don’t know what I’m looking at, but I compared the two-pickup version to everything I can find, and it looks right to me. There IS a 3-pickup version. This one has a new list of about $4000, give or take.

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