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  • #24398
    Rampant_Mouflon
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    Hi all, I am new here.

    I have a bit of a strange request. Would it be possible for any owners of Epiphone Les Pauls (or even better, Les Paul Customs, or even better, Alpine White Les Paul Customs) to take a picture of the internals of their guitar with the big backplate off? Closeups preferred.

    If anyone has any pictures from the internet that would do, I would be grateful for those too.

    I am trying to tell if I have a Chinese fake in my posession or the real deal.

    Thanks all.

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    • #71445
      Rampant_Mouflon
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      You could PM me a link of the auction, that might help. Of course I won’t be able to tell you for sure, but I could tell you my opinion from my experiences.

    • #71413
      Anonymous
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      [quote=”Rampant_Mouflon”]Well, I sent it back to the seller but it got lost in the post and I claimed my money back from Royal Mail. Never did find out if it was a bootleg or not, but if you bought it “from the factory” or brand new at a ridiculously low price, chances are it’s a chinese fake.

      Can you take some pictures of it like the ones I took? That would help.[/quote]

      I haven’t actually received the guitar yet. The seller assures me they are genuine, however he said he will take it back and refund me if I am not happy with it. It wasn’t rediculously cheap – it was cheaper than buying one new from a UK shop, but more expensive than buying a second hand one so I am not sure… My gut is telling me it’s fake though πŸ™
      It is getting close to Christmas now and this was supposed to be a present. So when (if?) it does turn up I will probably end up getting one from a shop anyway.

      Andy

    • #71417
      Rampant_Mouflon
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      Well, I sent it back to the seller but it got lost in the post and I claimed my money back from Royal Mail. Never did find out if it was a bootleg or not, but if you bought it “from the factory” or brand new at a ridiculously low price, chances are it’s a chinese fake.

      Can you take some pictures of it like the ones I took? That would help.

    • #71419
      Anonymous
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      Did you manage to find out if the guitar was counterfeit? I think I might have been ‘suckered’ as well…. πŸ™ The seller assures me the guitar is – quote ‘100% genuine’, however I have my doubts. He has agreed to take it back if I have any issues with it (plus I used PayPal so should be covered?).

      Cheers, Andy

    • #71486
      Rampant_Mouflon
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      Here’s a quick post with a few pics:

      Headstock:

      [URL=http://imageshack.us]#http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4839/image069cfx1.jpg%5B/URL%5D

      Blurred logo:

      [URL=http://imageshack.us]#http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4738/image070ccr2.jpg%5B/URL%5D

      Wood/Internals – looks kind of cheap:

      [URL=http://imageshack.us]#http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/651/image075cgm7.jpg%5B/URL%5D

      Cheap looking inlays:

      [URL=http://imageshack.us]#http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8479/image071csj4.jpg%5B/URL%5D

      Dodgy binding:

      [URL=http://imageshack.us]#http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1793/image074cfs4.jpg%5B/URL%5D

    • #71461
      lee_UK
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      Might have some gold speed knobs laying around if you want them? FOC of course, im sure they would go in an envelope with a couple of stamps.

    • #71451
      Tim
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      πŸ˜€ Knobs are on the ‘ When I get a a Paypal account’ list.

      Pickups are originals with decoupage Kurt Cobains covered over with black electrical tape.

      You think this is bad you should see it in alternative lighting, all the body damage visible, scary.

    • #71481
      lee_UK
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      You know how we have a favourite guitar that we would rush into a burning building to save? this looks like the one that hid under the bed.. are the pups EMG replacements or originals with the black paint?

      SG is my fav guitar, it has it all, the look, tone, shape, weight and playability.

    • #71470
      Tim
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      πŸ˜†

      Not really any mods on this one, just repairs after previous owners ‘creativity’

      Anyway, just for you Lee, here’s a ‘reclining on the couch’ shot:

      #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/SG.jpg

      Repairs included major body repairs so a respray was required – black sanded back to original cherry on edges then satin varnish.

      Back on subject, it has ‘MADE IN KOREA’ etched on the neckplate under the serial number. The grain of the wood is perfectly visible inside and the laquer inside is the same as the original external finish (but messier).

      Sorry couldn’t be more help, someone must have a Les Paul!

    • #71479
      lee_UK
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      [quote=”Tim”]No worries, although I must add this SG was a victim of Grunge (courtesy of other people, not me!) and I see now why only one Pup works!

      It’s Korean BTW:

      #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/SGint.jpg

      #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/SGint2.jpg%5B/quote%5D

      Thats typical of you Tim, don’t tease us with a few ‘case slightly open, ooh whats inside!!’ shots, then maybe a shot of the neck then one of the body, no not you, you go straight in for the ‘Blanking plates off, internal shots’ Disgusting!! how about a nice full lenght picture of her? im sure she is worth it, and does she have any mods? πŸ˜†

    • #71439
      Rampant_Mouflon
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      Thanks Tim, from that I suppose if my guitar was white it should be white inside too? Mine seems rougher in the inside, not like chipboard/particle board but rougher in the bits that are routed.

      Hmmmm.

    • #71483
      Rampant_Mouflon
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      Thanks Tim, what colour is the guitar?

      There are many other factors that made me suspicious:

      “Made in Korea” sticker on back of headstock when guitar was shipped “new” from China (Direct from the factory was mentioned in eay listing).
      Slightly Blurred “Les Paul” logo on truss rod cover.
      Misaligned screw/hole on truss rod cover.
      Les Paul Custom logo on headstock seems too small compared to Epiphone model which reaches E tuners.
      Material used for inlays looks wrong/suspicious.
      Tuners seem cheap (Once again, like the tuners on my previous Gibson bootleg).

      Plus there is the inside. It is a white Les Paul Custom and when I take the backplates off the wood seems cheap looking. That’s what I want to confirm.

    • #71449
      Tim
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      No worries, although I must add this SG was a victim of Grunge (courtesy of other people, not me!) and I see now why only one Pup works!

      It’s Korean BTW:

      #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/SGint.jpg

      #http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/subphonic/SGint2.jpg

    • #71463
      Rampant_Mouflon
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      It might be, if it’s made from alder/mahogany….I think the material behind the backplate would be similar at least in part….let’s see what you’ve got, thanks for the help too.

    • #71465
      Tim
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      Don’t suppose an Epi SG could give any pointers? Let me know if any use.

      Good luck!

    • #71441
      1bassleft
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      Right, I understand your concerns. I hope that someone can post up a pic of their Epi LP internals and help you out. If passers-by are reading this, please read the first page of the sticky “posting pics on guitarsite” to help you out, or PM me and I’ll put the pics up for you.

    • #71427
      Rampant_Mouflon
      Participant

      While my other post is awaiting moderation I’ll just say that what I suspect it is is an *unauthorised* copy (The serial starts with I but it came from China? Seems….wrong) like an increasing amount of the ones listed on ebay. There are many things that have led me to suspect that and the internals/wood are pretty much the last thing to confirm.

    • #71477
      1bassleft
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      Real Deal Epiphones have been made in Gibson’s Chinese factory, QingDao, for quite a few years now. The serial number on your Epi should give you info on its provenance. I found this piece on Wikipedia:

      [quote]An “I” at the beginning means manufactured by Sae In (Korea); “U” means by Unsung (Korea); “P” means Peerless (Korea); “S” means Samick (Korea);

      “R” is manufactured by “Peerless Guitars” of Korea.(guitardaterproject.org)

      DW = DeaWon (China); EA = Gibson/QingDao (China); EE = Gibson/QingDao (China); MC = Muse (China); SJ = SaeJung (China); BW = China

      “B” (found on some Korina G-400 is BohΓƒΒͺmia Musico-Delicia (Czech Republic);

      SI = Samick Indonesia

      F = Fujigen (Japan)

      Example: U8034853 U= Unsung 8= 1998 03 = March 4853= manufacturing number
      [/quote]

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